Release the Kraken

[HuffHall]

See ya in court.....Oh wait that was Mal and his band of merry idiots rallying cry

[MAL]

From your Fox News article about the terrible voter fraud:

“None of the fraudulent ballots in question were submitted in the general election, he added.”

nice try to think the one guy who doesnt fit the mold was the ringleader, but that would help your narrative. Why not own the capitol takeover instead of blaming a rando for the whole thing, it would be more on brand.

I didn't say that they cast their ballots in the general election...I was offering proof of voter fraud that everybody claims doesn't exist. The Capital take over may have been a feel good moment , but it was a massive political blunder. Republicans will never get away with BLM/ANTIFA terrorist tactics. Along with a handful of stupid Republicans there were also BLM/ANTIFA infiltrators trying to start trouble. There were also videos of police opening gates and doors... letting people in...it looked very odd to me.

[MAL]

I'll be waiting ever so patiently for that day MAL, here's a hint it will never come. Again you were lied to, sold a bill of goods from a sore loser President and you are so jaded and gullible you fell for it like so many other disenfranchised conservatives. When you offer any truth in any one of your posts that will be a first. Go back to the beginning of this thread and read how many different excuses you've tried to offer up as actual proof of voter fraud, all proven by legitimate sources to be complete fabrications. You're desperate, angry, bitter just like the morons who were in DC and why, because you were hoodwinked by a con man reality TV star. Own that Sir

I haven't seen any of those examples of voter fraud debunked...you don't use facts and figures in your posts...just feelings and opinions...so please pick any one of those claims and debunk it for me. I just gave you 2 major cases of voter fraud that are working their way through the courts...and I will give you more as they trickle out. Voter fraud never gets adjudicated before the election is over...ever.

I don't follow Trump, I seldom even listen to what he says...I cant stand listening to him talk.

[HuffHall]

Why do you just ignore the things that you don't want to talk about? Did the FBI shred the Georgia ballots or not?...the story could be fake, but if it's true there are only two reasons that I can think of to do that. One is that the fraud would be revealed by letting Jovan examine them, or they don't want the "conspiracy nut jobs" to be proven wrong. Georgia law requires that the ballots are saved for two years. I can't think of any legitimate reason to destroy evidence...can you?

I don't care what happens to Trump...they can kill him if they want...I care about the country. The world would be a better place if we would have had a real insurrection and wiped out everybody in that building. Its kinda funny how these politicians don't mind when the cities are under attack by violent terrorist like BLM and ANTIFA...but when a group that is actually mostly peaceful knocks on their door, they have a cow.

This is the proof you've offered this entire thread, wild conspiracy theories, conjecture and flat out misinformation. I'm sure you're a good guy, you seem like it, you've just been bamboozled by the ultimate huckster. It happens to the best of us. One day you'll wonder how you could have ever been so wrong about this nonsense

[oldpioneer]

So mal, who are you with? You said you don’t care about Trump but you go on anon about shredding ballots and conspiracy theories. I mean are you for no government at all? Please describe your most utopian society. For us in the good old United States?

[lifetimewrestler]

So OP, who are you with? Cancel culture and censorship? Russian collusion and riot hypocrisy with the inability to call it all disgusting and shameful? Screaming racism when you can’t debate on merit? I’d love to hear where u stand on it all. By the way I thought you were a teacher, yet you asked who is Orwell...says a lot about the public school system I guess. Please tell me what is best for the good old United States?

See how easy it is to be passive aggressive

[oldpioneer]

First of all I read 1984, in 1984. I put that in there just so someone would jump down my throat about it. It worked. I also teach civics. Because constitution clearly states that elections are in the hands of the states. The states have spoken. Trump tried every single legal avenue to overturn it and then I guess thought what the hell send a bunch of people in there and get a hold of those mahogany boxes. I’ve never said you are racist. I have said that when David Duke endorsed Trump he said he didn’t know that much about him. During the debates he said he doesn’t know much about Q anon. He told the proud boys to stand by. That means either a, I knew exactly what he was doing and he was in on it, or b, He was too stupid. Either way you should not be the President of the United States have been in a couple days he won’t be. What do I want? Normalcy. I want to wake up in the morning and I have to see it on hinged Twitter and she’s banging away at his phone antagonizing foreign nations complaining about the news that he’s binge watched. As a nation we’re always going to have problems and disagreements regarding taxation and even what to do about foreign aggression. I do not believe the controversy should always come from the presidents Twitter account. I would also like to see the National Guard be part of distributing this vaccine as opposed to having to fortify the Capitol. Most of the damage he has done about a unified response to the virus is basically too late To fix. Our nations expert has death threats and people are quitting all over the place. In other words, I just want to make America what it was before he took office in 2016.

[oldpioneer]

Oh also I will not miss at all the nicknames that he assigned members of Congress or the military because he disagrees with them. At first I just thought the nickname sounded sophomoric but it turns out it can turn a bunch of people against people and we have a nation ripped in half. I also want to be briefed on what is going on in the nation and hear honest answers even if the reporters question is considered nasty. Everybody’s all hyped up about the Second Amendment but they forgot about freedom of the press. We know the president watches TV and uses Twitter. When he saw what was unfolding in the capitol his silence was deafeningly loud........

[oldpioneer]

Oh also, I want a president who surrounds himself with a cabinet of experts in their particular field. Not one who says he knows more than the experts. Just like working on houses you said you like to do it all, you and I are definitely different in that aspect. If I have a problem with electricity I’m blessed to have friends that are union electricians. They make it look so easy. Same with the plumbing. Show me someone who Says they know about everything and I’ll show you someone that really doesn’t know much about even one thing we all need to know our limits and reach out to someone who spends a great deal of time in that field. Why don’t you give me a message to give my civics class I won’t use your name or the website but why don’t you tell me what students these days should be learning about what happened on June 6. I can’t wait to read it

[eyecu2]

Speak for yourself. You probably didn't have an uncle who was super smart. I doubt you have the genes to be a stable genius. I can't imagine that people marvel at how quick you pick things up after hearing about them for the very 1st time. Absolutely no way possible you can tell when a foreign leader is telling you the truth even as your own intelligence agency is deceiving you. You expect him to be a conspiracy theorist like you. He doesn't know about Duke, QANON or those white supremacist groups because he doesn't fall for the fake news and internet fables. There has never been a Swamp drainer like him ever before and most likely there won't be one in the future. You probably wasted your time taking your own SAT test. This man is the most resilient person on earth. No one could lose as many times as he has in the last 3 months and still keep fighting (Democracy). Hey maybe he could start a reality show. The Biggest Loser. He is known for his originality.

[oldpioneer]

Lol! Maybe you’re onto something. Maybe the whole thing on January 6 was just meant to bring down the crowd size of the inauguration. Crowd size has been basically is most consistent concern throughout the four years. In fact, he uses it as evidence that it’s impossible for him to lose an election

[MAL]

This is the proof you've offered this entire thread, wild conspiracy theories, conjecture and flat out misinformation. I'm sure you're a good guy, you seem like it, you've just been bamboozled by the ultimate huckster. It happens to the best of us. One day you'll wonder how you could have ever been so wrong about this nonsense

I have found nothing debunking that story. Feel free to debunk it if you can. The Georgia legislature ordered a forensic audit of some ballots...The FBI shredded the ballots so that could not happen. I can think of no good reason for that to happen.

[oldpioneer]

First of all I want to apologize I thought I was responding to MAL. I just re-read it and it’s lifetime. He lays in wait for misspellings and such. Here’s one for you, why is everybody spelling it Capitol. The capital of Illinois Springfield. There now you have something to post about.... But I was just reading an interesting editorial in the fake news newspapers. The author brought up a good point and I had forgotten about it. Trump said the election was a fraud on election night and months before. Here’s an idea, if you want to claim fraud find the fraud first and then go after it. No matter what happened in Georgia when you start out throwing charges in every different direction aimlessly hoping something will stick you kind of lose credibility. He has had some hilarious tweets but my all-time favorite is when he tweeted on election night stop counting! And lifetime I’m still waiting on that lesson plan for civics class.

[MAL]

So mal, who are you with? You said you don’t care about Trump but you go on anon about shredding ballots and conspiracy theories. I mean are you for no government at all? Please describe your most utopian society. For us in the good old United States?

New rule. If you can't prove that something is in fact a conspiracy theory, then you can't say that it is a conspiracy theory in the context of a "factual" statement.

I want a country with borders
A set of laws that is closer to the size of Ten Commandments instead of the Grand Canyon.
A president that hasn't taken a billion and a half dollars from the Chinese would be nice.
A country where laws are written by legislatures instead of unelected bureaucrats like the EPA for example.
An election process that can be trusted...neither side has trusted the results when they lose for quite some time.
I want low cost energy.
I want school choice
I want to eliminate institutionalized racism like asking skin color on government documents.
My utopian tax plan would be just one tax totaling 10% of income.
Trumps plan to end foreign wars has been nice.
Welfare should just be for the needy...the able bodied should starve if they won't work.
The murder of unborn children should not be tolerated...and it's a violation of my constitutional rights to make me pay for it.
Piece through strength militarily. National defense is literally the only job the federal Government is tasked with in the constitution.
America first agenda...bring jobs back from China, like Trump was doing.
There is another caravan forming...they need to be turned away unless they can prove their worth as an American.

That is a start

Trump has been good on about half of those, and great on a few. Biden takes us in the wrong direction on every one of those...and he is an international criminal...and will never be the duly elected President.

Where do we agree or at least have room to compromise?

[MAL]

First of all I want to apologize I thought I was responding to MAL. I just re-read it and it’s lifetime. He lays in wait for misspellings and such. Here’s one for you, why is everybody spelling it Capitol. The capital of Illinois Springfield. There now you have something to post about.... But I was just reading an interesting editorial in the fake news newspapers. The author brought up a good point and I had forgotten about it. Trump said the election was a fraud on election night and months before. Here’s an idea, if you want to claim fraud find the fraud first and then go after it. No matter what happened in Georgia when you start out throwing charges in every different direction aimlessly hoping something will stick you kind of lose credibility. He has had some hilarious tweets but my all-time favorite is when he tweeted on election night stop counting! And lifetime I’m still waiting on that lesson plan for civics class.

I could tell that you were talking to me. I actually do know a lot about a lot of different trades. What makes that more impressive is that I am self taught. A penny saved because I did it my self, is a penny that I will not have to earn and pay taxes on.

I still think most of your complaints about Trump are superficial, and I agree with your superficial complaints for the most part. I imagine we part ways on policy issues, but you seldom even discuss policy.