Well one thing we agree upon and I actually tip my hat to Trump is we have not entered another foreign conflict. Actually eliminated some and de escalated others. He said he would do that in the beginning and he did. I think he promised the pool completely out of Afghanistan and Iraq but I think that is easier said than done. I will say this, his bravado may have scared other countries because they thought he would be crazy enough to just pull out that button and press it. Oh but now we have to worry about groups in our own country. That’s a bummer. Yes sorry again for thinking I was responding to you I should have read more closely.
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Originally posted by oldpioneer View PostWell one thing we agree upon and I actually tip my hat to Trump is we have not entered another foreign conflict. Actually eliminated some and de escalated others. He said he would do that in the beginning and he did. I think he promised the pool completely out of Afghanistan and Iraq but I think that is easier said than done. I will say this, his bravado may have scared other countries because they thought he would be crazy enough to just pull out that button and press it. Oh but now we have to worry about groups in our own country. That’s a bummer. Yes sorry again for thinking I was responding to you I should have read more closely.
Maybe some of these people need to be impeached. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPLn...ature=emb_logo
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A racist, a traitor, a xenophobe, a rapist, a misogynist, a criminal, a soulless demon in the circle closest to Satan, a hypocrite, a troll, a philanderer, a bankrupt, a murderer, a Russian asset, and a conman enter a bar, and the bartender asks, "What can I get you, Mr Trump."
Even before officially taking office, President Biden dedicates a ceremony to the over 400,000 Americans dead from Covid. And willful malignance. Thank you, Joe. That was beautiful.
GO AMERICA!
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Birds flying high
You know how I feel
Sun in the sky
You know how I feel
Breeze driftin' on by
You know how I feel
It's a new dawn
It's a new day
It's a new life
For me
And I'm feeling good
I'm feeling good
No better lyrics to describe how I'll feel come noon tomorrow. Good riddance to the worst President this country has ever or will ever see. You racist POS.....You're FIRED!!!!!!
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Jimmy Kimmel just said tomorrow marks the end of an error! Apparently Trump is having a hard time finding people to come to his sendoff so he invited guests +5. Jimmy said that something you do when you’re inviting kids to a party and there’s so unpopular you worry about no one coming.
And all seriousness, I am off parler Now. I heard it is back up. looking back, after all I read on that website I am so surprised the feds weren’t ready for what happened January 6. I hope everyone is safe tomorrow.Last edited by oldpioneer; 01-20-2021, 12:23 AM.Always support your local wrestling tournament concession stands!!!
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When you impeached him the first time, I told you that you were only making him stronger...and he received millions more votes than he did in his first election in 2016. Now you have made him a martyr. His supporters will never accept Biden as a legitimate President, and neither will I. He is stronger now than ever. Your hatred has consumed you to the point that you are blinded.
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Originally posted by HuffHall View PostBirds flying high
You know how I feel
Sun in the sky
You know how I feel
Breeze driftin' on by
You know how I feel
It's a new dawn
It's a new day
It's a new life
For me
And I'm feeling good
I'm feeling good
No better lyrics to describe how I'll feel come noon tomorrow. Good riddance to the worst President this country has ever or will ever see. You racist POS.....You're FIRED!!!!!!
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Originally posted by MAL View PostWhen you impeached him the first time, I told you that you were only making him stronger...and he received millions more votes than he did in his first election in 2016. Now you have made him a martyr. His supporters will never accept Biden as a legitimate President, and neither will I. He is stronger now than ever. Your hatred has consumed you to the point that you are blinded.
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Biden is a fraud. The Georgia Senate has concluded that the "2020 General Election (the “Election”) was chaotic and any reported results
must be viewed as untrustworthy"
THE
CHAIRMAN’S REPORT OF THE ELECTION LAW
STUDY SUBCOMMITTEE
OF THE STANDING SENATE
JUDICIARY COMMITTEE
SUMMARY OF TESTIMONY FROM DECEMBER 3, 2020 HEARING
Honorable William T. Ligon, Chairman
Senator, District 3
Honorable John Kennedy
Senator, District 18
Honorable Bill Heath
Senator, District 31
Honorable Blake Tillery
Senator, District 19
Honorable Michael Rhett
Senator, District 33
Honorable Elena Parent
Senator, District 42
I. INTRODUCTION
II. EXECUTIVE SUMMARY
III. ORAL TESTIMONY
IV. FINDINGS
V. RECOMMENDATIONS
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I. INTRODUCTION
The charge assigned to the Election Law Study Subcommittee of the Standing Senate Judiciary
Committee was to examine the recent election cycle, the recount process, the audit process,
the current investigations taking place, the litigation that is moving forward, as well as address
issues relating to the upcoming runoffs. In the matter of the law itself, we were to also consider
Georgia’s election laws as they have impacted and are impacting the current election cycle. This
Report may be further
amended prior to the 2021 Georgia Legislative Session.
This Subcommittee met once at the Georgia State Capitol on Thursday, December 3, 2020. The
hearing was open to the public, and there was an open invitation for citizens to speak before
the committee.
Subcommittee members also expressed stories they had heard from their constituents. Other committee meetings have also been hearing testimony which should be
considered to present an even broader understanding. At this time, the additional committees which
have met and received testimony are the Senate Governmental Affairs Committee and
the House Governmental Oversight Committee. Many who could not testify due to lack of time
have recorded their own testimonies online and shared their written speeches with this committee; the Subcommittee received many affidavits under oath.
This Report by the Subcommittee Chair has not been formally approved by the Sub
committee or the standing Judiciary Committee. It is submitted for informational purposes to be a part of
the record at the request of the Judiciary Chair.
It is a summary of testimony given in person and by affidavit.
For more information, please refer to the video record of the hearing and the affidavits submitted
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II. EXECUTIVE SUMMARY
The November 3,
2020 General Election (the “Election”) was chaotic and any reported results
must be viewed as untrustworthy. The Subcommittee took evidence from witnesses and
received affidavits sworn under oath. The Subcommittee heard evidence that proper protocols
were not used to ensure chain of custody of the ballots throughout the Election, after the
opening of ballots prior to the Election, and during the recounts. The Subcommittee heard
testimony that it was possible or even likely that large numbers of fraudulent ballots were
introduced into the pool of ballots that were counted as voted; there is no way of tracing the
ballots after they have been separated from the point of origin. The Subcommittee heard
testimony of pristine ballots whose origin looked suspicious or which could not be verified and
the inability of poll workers to distinguish between test ballots and absentee ballots. Signatures
were not consistently verified according to law in the absentee balloting process.
Poll watchers on Election Night testified that they had noted that ballots were not secured, that
seals and security tags were not used, and the chain of custody was often lax or non-existent.
During the recount process, the monitors observed similar patterns of unsecured ballots that
had broken seals and open cases of ballots laying around for hours or overnight in unsecured
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locations. There was a lack of enforcement of the law, sloppy handling of the ballots by those
counting, deliberate covering-up of voting numbers by workers, lack of following the process
during the recount, unsafe handling of military ballots, and insecure data such as on laptops
and flash drives. According to submitted testimony, there were also many equipment failures
when ballots would not go through the machines and other times when ballots were counted
more than once. A great deal of testimony supported evidence of a coordinated effort to prevent a transparent
process of observing the counting of ballots during the absentee ballot opening period and on
Election Night. Witnesses testified to hostility to Republican poll workers during the recount
–directional signage was unavailable, doors were locked, and Republican poll watchers were sent
home early or given menial assignments. Monitors throughout the state were often kept at an unreasonably long distance
–some social distancing was understandable, but monitors were blocked from having the visual ability to see
what was written on the ballots or to have any meaningful way to check the counting or to double-check that what was counted was actually assigned to the right candidate. They also
could not observe what was entered into the ARLO system, nor could they be told the count
that was being entered into ARLO. Instead, they were told that those numbers would be totaled
and come back from the Secretary of State’s Office. They were also told not to take pictures,
film, or have other means of acquiring proof of the process that they were experiencing based on a rule from the State Elections Board. That rule contravenes the spirit and purpose of the election law.
The Secretary of State’s Office was unresponsive to its hotline. It has been unresponsive to many who wonder if their vote ever really counted. The office has turned a blind eye to fraud to the point that it ought to be considered gross negligence.
The Subcommittee did not have time to investigate the numerous publicly reported issues with the Dominion voting machines. The Subcommittee takes notice of the various publicly reported functions of the machines and heard
evidence that the machines can duplicate fraudulent ballots to the point that not even trained personnel can tell the difference between a test ballot and a real ballot. Testimony also suggested that the system responds wirelessly to being reset from an unknown location as happened with the poll books. The Subcommittee also heard that
Dominion machines can be programmed with algorithms that reallocate votes between
candidates. In addition, the Dominion machines are programmed to count votes using percentages of whole numbers rather than actual votes, which is a feature incompatible with the actual voting process. The Subcommittee learned that the history and control of the company that owns the Dominion voting system is unclear and provides serious implications of
foreign interference in the U.S. election.
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III. ORAL TESTIMONY
Violation of Ballot/Computer Security Procedures During Early Voting and on Election Day
Bridget Thorne, who has nine years’ experience as a poll worker/precinct manager in
Fulton County, worked for five and a half days during early voting as a technician in the
temporary warehouse in the Georgia World Congress Center. Because of positive COVID
tests among Fulton County elections employees, Dominion Software was selected to run
the warehouse. Thorne was disturbed at the lack of ballot security. Test ballots were
printed on the same type of paper (official Rolland Voting paper) as real ballots, but test
ballots were not routinely marked as such or destroyed. Thorne testified she saw a stack of these ballots almost eight inches tall. On October 30, when early voting finished at State Farm Arena in Fulton County (the
“State Farm Arena”), Thorne observed 40
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50 scanners being brought into the arena and
tens of thousands of ballots being scan
ned in by random people pulling ballots from
random places
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no formal procedure, no oaths, no chain of custody. When Thorne
objected to this haphazard process, a Dominion employee replied, “It’s fine, we have
been doing this all week.” When Thorne left that night, she observed unsecured suitcases of ballots next to the scanners.
Upon arriving at the State Farm Arena the following morning, Thorne saw that suitcases of ballots had been piled in a corner and sealed. But there was no restricted access, so anyone could have removed one or more suitcases. In addition, anyone could have opened them and resealed them” because “seals were easily accessible.” During the
day, employees brought Thorne other ballots that were found in the warehouse, asking if they were real or test. She had no way of knowing. The following night, when Thorne was again working at the warehouse, she observed a
Dominion employee and an Election Group Consultant printing “test ballots” but doing
so incorrectly. She realized then that “ anyone in the warehouse had access to printing real ballots.”
Before Election Day, Thorne attempted to report her concerns about these insecure ballot operations to the Secretary of State (SOS) office and to the State Board of Elections; she received no response.
Since giving her testimony to the Senate Subcommittee, Bridget Thorne has been fired
by a consultant working for Fulton County.
5Recount: Counting Votes Without Monitoring, or Without Meaningful Monitoring
Election Day
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Video from State Farm Arena in Fulton County showed a Fulton County
Election worker approaching the media and poll monitors. After a brief exchange, the
media and monitors packed up and left. This coincided with media reports that everyone was told to leave State Farm Arena around 10 p.m. on Election Night; workers testified they were told that tabulation was stopping for the night and would resume
the next morning. Instead, video from State Farm Arena revealed that about six workers
stayed behind. What happened next revealed a coordinated effort by election workers
to deliberately conceal their continued counting of ballots out of public view, in direct
violation of the law. This incident was premeditated. Those workers pulled out four concealed cases of ballots from under a table and continued counting for another two hours. During those two hours there were multiple machines running, each of which could process up to 3000 ballots per hour. A “representative” of The Secretary of State’s office claimed that it had a representative present during that period, and the media reported that statement widely; it was not true. The representative admitted he was not present during that time period and is not evident on the video.
David Cross, though unable to speak at the hearing due to time constraints, submitted
written testimony with graphs, one of which appears to enhance the significance of
what took place with the change in vote totals just after the late
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night activities tookplace at State Farm Arena. Due to its significance to the State Farm Arena video seen by
the committee, his graph is included with this Report. It shows that 136,155 votes suddenly appeared in Biden’s vote column at 1:59 a.m., November 4, 2020.
Scott Hall of Fulton County is an experienced poll watcher who testified that there was a
secured “lunch area” but when he bought lunch for workers, they were not permitted to
use that area. There were no cameras in that area, yet tables were set up for counting,
and poll watcher
s were excluded. He has photographs of the area. He also testified that there were stacks and stacks of unsecured blank ballots (“checks,” as he called them) that were in the open.
Mr. Hall noted a limitation of one monitor per 10 recounting tables as being an
inadequate ratio to be truly effective. He was constantly engaged in the recount, even
being called to go to the World Congress Center at ridiculous hours, such as 10 p.m., for
more counting. He was adamant that something was seriously wrong with how Fulton
County was handling the ballots.
Mark Amick reported that in DeKalb County, only one monitor was allowed per 10
tables of 16 recounters. He testified that monitors were kept six feet away and could
not see the totals entered on the computer
screens.
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At State Farm Arena at the end of the recount day on November 14, Susan Voyles of
Sandy Springs observed pallets of ballots remaining to be counted beginning the
following day. When she arrived the next morning, November 15, those pallets were
gone.
On November 15, Voyles and her partner with whom she had traveled to State Farm
Arena (also identified as a Republican), were given only 60 ballots to review, even
though other tables had thousands. Voyles and her partner, as well as other Republican
monitors, were told at 10 a.m. there was nothing else for them to do, so they should leave. Since giving her testimony to the Senate Subcommittee, Susan Voyles has been fired by a consultant working for Fulton County.
Tony Burrison of Savannah and a military veteran served as one of very few recount
observers during the recount in ChathamCounty. He described the process as“disgusting”
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stacks of ballots were being counted with no oversight or accountability.
Based on what he observed, he believed there is a major problem with voting integrity
due to tampering with the vote.
Nancy Kain
of DeKalb reported that she was kept too far from the counting to verify any
votes.
Hal Soucie of Smyrna, a poll watcher at State Farm Arena, testified that he was told that
he was not supposed to be close enough to see batch numbers.
No Chain of Custody
Annette Davis Jackson, a Gwinnett monitor, saw broken locks on the bins containing
paper backup ballots.
Scott Hall of Fulton County was told to leave the World Congress Center after he tried to
document and photograph nine unsecured bags of ballots.
He testified he “cried” over
the incidents he saw.
Dana Smith, a Republican poll watcher in Hart County, testified that she observed the
paper backup ballots being placed in unlocked canvas bags for transport to the county
office of the Elections Supe
rvisor. The precinct manager finally (at Smith’s insistence)
obtained locks before transporting the bags in her car, but she refused to complete
chain of custody forms. Smith also testified that there was open access to the special
paper used to print the
paper backup ballots.
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Hal Soucie observed the recount process in two counties, Cobb and Fulton. At State
Farm Arena in Fulton County, he reported “suitcases” full of ballots “all over the place,”
with no chain of custody procedures, no time and no date
information. He observed people taking ballots out of the cases, counting, and putting them right back into the
cases. No one checked him in as a credentialed observer, and one man handed him a
stack of ballots without knowing who he was or where the ballots came from.
Suspicious “Pristine” Absentee Ballots
At the State Farm Arena recount on November 14, Susan Voyles, who has 20 years’
experience managing election precincts in Fulton County reviewed a stack of 110
absentee ballots [ballots are normally placed in stacks of 100] and noticed they were
“pristine.” They had not been folded, and they did not appear worn as though voters
and election workers had handled them. Each ballot was “bubbled in” with exactly the
same marking, which showed a small crescent of white in the bubble. It appeared as
though one ballot had been marked and then reproduced over 100 times. In addition,
one of these ballots bore the distinctive ink markings of having been pulled from a
printer too soon. Almost all of these ballots were votes for Vice President Biden; only
two were for President Trump. In her 20 years of election experience, Voyles had never
seen any ballots like these. As noted above, Ms. Voyles has been fired from her position
as a poll manager with Fulton County, presumably for her honest testimony.
Hal Soucie, who was also at the State Farm Arena, verified that he saw the pristine
ballots mentioned by Ms. Voyles.
During the recount, Scott Hall of Fulton County saw large quantities of ballots at the
World Congress Center that appeared to have been machine produced. He stated that
he saw this “over and over.” The Subcommittee received evidence that other poll
workers throughout the State reported similar instances of “pristine” ballots with no
explicable origin. Duplication of Ballots Without Oversight
Nancy Kain, a naturalized citizen in DeKalb County, volunteered as a poll watcher for
Advance Voting at lower Roswell Road, served as a poll monitor during processing of
absentee ballots and as a poll watcher on Election Day. At 10 a.m. on November 5, at
the State Farm Arena, she was not asked for credentials and noticed that many people
did not even have credentials.
She observed a young man with paper ballots putting in
selections on a ballot on a voting machine and wondered why it was not going through
the scanner. The supervisor explained that the military ballots are transcribed in proper
format and ballots come i
n that they were trying to salvage because of damage, thus
they were just transferring them to a new ballot, and that was the process. Yet, no one
was there to verify what the young man was doing. He was the brother of the
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VI.RECOMMENDATIONS
A.
Absentee Ballots
In addition to following the law as already written by the legislature, such as
not opening absentee ballots until Election Day, additional steps should be
taken to ensure that only legal absentee votes are counted.
At a minimum, these recommendations include requiring photo
identification, following signature match procedures faithfully, allowing
absentee ballots to be used only upon demonstration of need, mailing
absentee ballots out only upon the request of the registered voter, and although already illegal, expressly prohibiting drop boxes.
B.
Secure Chain of Custody and Additional Security Measures
Procedures should be established to ensure proper chain of custody for all
ballots, whether they are test ballots, new unused ballots, spoiled ballots,
cast
BMD
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generated ballots, absentee ballots, and even the specialty paper
that is used to print the ballots.
Penalties should be clearly known and enforced for any violations.
There should be complete security when workers go on the job, with signin of their names and a time stamp, when they go in and when they go out. Cameras should also be onsite to monitor the process at all times, as well as
all the entrances to the buildings where ballots and the ballot paper are stored.
C.
Meaningful Access for Poll Watchers and Monitors
Citizens who are seeking to ensure the integrity of the vote need to be able
to truly see the process. They should be able to ensure that people are
reading their ballots before they are cast. They should be able to inspect the
signature match process when ballots are opened. They should be able to
write down seal information so they can ensure proper custody is in place.
They should be close enough to see the names on the ballots during any
recounts, the counts written on recount re
port sheets, the counts going into
the ARLO system, the counts written on ballot containers, the process of the
seals being broken as the ballots are entering the process, and so forth.
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More poll watchers and monitors should be allowed to participate since the
ratio needs to be improved. Objections by monitors should be addressed
immediately onsite to ensure access and transparency.
Hostile actions by election workers toward volunteers should be
immediately addressed and should be cause for dismissal
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D.
No Unconstitutional Gag Orders
There is no reason to ban cameras when tabulation is taking place or when
recounts and audits are taking place.
Furthermore, there is no reason to ban cameras at the polling booth as long
as voters have privacy while voting.
The State Board of Elections should not ban cameras and recording
equipment. They must fulfill their duty to ensure a transparent election
process. Furthermore, citizens have a right to share those photos,
recordings, and thoughts about what they observe.
E.
Unqualified Voters Should Be Purged from the System
No underage voters should be in the system to allow their votes. No felons
should be in the system to allow their votes.
Other categories of voters, such as the deceased and those who have moved
out of state, should also be examined as to their continued
presence on the
voter rolls.
F.
Violations of State Election Laws Must Be Prosecuted
The Georgia Bureau of Investigation (“GBI”) and the Attorney General
should aggressively investigate and prosecute those who violate election
laws, including those conspi
ring to place fraudulent ballots into the system
and the 1,000 persons identified by the Secretary of State who voted twice
in the 2020 primaries. If prosecutions do not happen, violations will recur.
The GBI should establish an independent office for t
he investigation of all
claims of voter fraud. That office should report regularly to the Judiciary
Committee and, except in the case of investigations involving the Secretary
of State or its personnel, the office of the Secretary of State.
The GBI should investigate the cases where many affidavits already exist
regarding election fraud in the 2020 General Election.
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G.
Forensic Audits of Ballots and Machines
The Legislature must determine if ballot marking devices (BMDs) have been
manipulated to provide a fraudulent result and
without regard to whether
the forensic audits can actually identify the manipulation of votes and the
authenticity of the ballots that are in the ballot boxes, either generated by
the BMDs or those that are absentee ballots.
Independent third party auditors should review the fiducials on all ballots
types (absentee, military, machine generated), audit the absentee ballot
results from the last election, confirm the number of external envelopes in
each county, and the number of ballots
for each county.
Such audits should help ensure that phantom ballots and other fraudulent
ballots are not counted in election results, and that legal votes are the only
votes counted.
H.
For Rectifying the 2020 General Election Results
The Legislature
should carefully consider its obligations under the U.S.
Constitution. If a majority of the General Assembly concurs with the
findings of this report, the certification of the Election should be rescinded
and the General Assembly should act to determine t
he proper Electors to be
certified to the Electoral College in the 2020 presidential race. Since time is
of the essence, the Chairman and Senators who concur with this report
recommend that the leadership of
the General Assembly and the Governor
immediately convene to allow further consideration by the entire General
Assembly.
Respectfully submitted this the
17th
day of December 2020.
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Honorable William T. Ligon, Chairman
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Originally posted by HuffHall View PostIt's over MAL, even your own party is telling you that you were lied to, only the completely brainwashed are still trumpeting this nonsense. Deprogram yourself immediately, your Orange Despot is forever gone
I don't think Trump will ever run again, but I do think he will dismantle the Republican party.
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Originally posted by oldpioneer View PostMy man mall, some of your copy and paste thing is so long it’s like jamming up the frequency of a CB when you’re driving across the country and somebody is sitting in the basement just messing with people.
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