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  • What this FAN wants to see from the Illini and Coach Poeta

    I'm sitting here looking at recent results of recent transfers and new recruits across DI wrestling and it has me reflecting on the plight of being a lifelong fan of the Illini. It definitely can be quite the roller coaster ride. We've certainly had our fair share of exciting wrestlers who accomplished great things over the years. However, as of late, it seems like most years end up with more letdowns than things to be exited about. Last year, we had extremely pleasant surprises in how Byrd and Duncan finished. On the flip side, we had other wrestlers peaking way early like Luffman and the Braunagels, and others like Cardani that seemingly regressed after a promising frosh campaign. Sprinkle in a few wrestlers who just seem to be filling spots and it makes it really hard to see the team finishing in the top half of a very tough Big Ten any time soon.

    So, usher in the offseason where we see Heff hang it up and a new-ish regime come in. Poeta gives us something to get "excited" about with his high energy, likability and early big moves he made in both recruiting (Carroll, Webster, etc.) and hiring (Ruth). Now the season comes along and the excitement wanes a bit. There are no Carr or Duncan sightings, although we see that they are on the roster. Will they compete? If so, will it be at the level that we hope to see them at? Nobody really knows. Cardani has provided some reason to be hopeful with a first place finish in a very weak 125 field at the Matmen Open. After a slow start, Byrd appears to be on track. Our transfer at 157 appears to be mediocre at this level at best. Danny Braunagel at 165 seems more like the version that finished the season going 2-6 in the final 2 tournaments of last year than the one who started last season 6-0. There is not much to go on in looking at Zach Braunagel other than a good win over a quality NIU opponent, 2 losses against a quality Cal Poly opponent and some uncomfortably close matches against very unproven wrestlers. Look across the nation and you see a sick, strong weight class that Zach will compete in that appears even stronger with the additions of wrestlers like Myles Amine, Kaleb Romero and Abe Assad. At 197 there is Matt Wroblewski who showed some promise with an early season win over Cam Caffey on the same day he lost to Caffey's backup and a transfer NU wrestler who was never able to crack Michigan's lineup in his previous 4 years. The 197 field is deep and talented. Where does MW fit in the field? Who really knows? Luffman returns to an incredibly tough 285 weight class. Yes, the Luffman who got us excited last year with close wins over Hilger, Orndorff and Lance, only to not be able to duplicate these results when it counted most. 285 is tougher than last year, with the addition of an NU wrestler who moved up a weight and handled Luff early on, as well as a healthy Kerkvliet in PSU, and other talented transfers who have found their way back in to lineups (gas tank Gary Traub, AJ Nevills).

    All that to get to what I want to see from my Illini under Coach Poeta. I want to see competition in the room. I want to see recruiting that is hyper-focused on building that. I want to see recruiting that has a focus on constantly upgrading the talent in the room at every part of the lineup. I want to see a recruiting mentality of "yeah, we're pretty good at this weight class, but I think we can do better". I know this is easier said than done, but that needs to be the focus. I LOVE that Edmund Ruth committed. That is the kind of move that I want to see more of. Yes, it likely would not have happened if it were not for the fact that his brother was on staff, but you have to use all kinds of front-channels, back-channels, etc. to build the talent that you need to be competitive in the Big Ten. It didn't matter that we have a DJ Shannon and Trey Sizemore who have both won matches at 174. Winning some matches is not enough to keep your spot safe....at least it's not at programs like Iowa, Penn State, Ohio State, Michigan....heck even Purdue. Purdue had the chance to bring in Matt Ramos and they did it....even though they had Jake Rundell who showed promise at that weight last year. You need to look for opportunities to upgrade up and down your lineup.

    If you adopt that kind of mentality, you don't wait around for guys who show promise to finally put it all together. You solidify your spot by executing when it counts the most. Lucas Byrd solidified his spot. Every other spot in the lineup is ripe for an upgrade. THAT is what I hope to see from my Illini under Coach Poeta. Of course that doesn't happen overnight. But Ruth coming in (assuming that it happens as intended) is a great first step. How do Shannon and Sizemore respond. Do they battle harder in the room? Do they fight and claw and brawl to get into the lineup? I want to see how they respond. Then you replicate that across other parts of the lineup. I think it's a shame that we have not brought in a another highly talented 197/285 pounder to push our 2 big guys and try to steal their spots. Same goes for 149/157. That is what needs to happen for us to challenge for that upper half/upper third finish in the Big Ten.

  • #2
    Great post. I agree with everything that you say. I would add that I want to see marked improvement in our current wrestlers across the board. Too often we have seen Illini who have not developed in line with their early results or their high school accolades.

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    • #3
      I know its very early in the Poeta era, but what I saw this weekend against Rutgers and Iowa is not very promising. What weight other than 133 is a lock to make the Ncaa's ? Cardani competes at 125 but is probably no better than 9th or10th in the conference, 141 without Duncan is terrible, 149, 157, 174, 197 most likely do not qualify and 165,184, and 285 are average Big 10 wrestlers at best. I think they had a total of 3 or 4 takedowns as a team against Iowa. I haven't heard of any top commitments coming in next year or seen anything from any of the underclassmen currently on the roster this year that creates excitement. I hope I am wrong but Illinois wrestling could be in for some dark days in the near future. They obviously have to do a better job of recruiting and developing what they have.

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      • #4
        Iowa made a statement. The way they rode the Illinois wrestlers was an embarrassment. I hope Coach Poeta and every High School coach in Illinois took note of that. Mat wrestling is something every young wrestler needs to learn and needs to be preached and taught correctly at the high school level.

        I have one other thought and maybe it is time to move on from Medlin at the RTC. I would have thought brining him in would have helped with in state recruiting but it has not (nice to see Warner at Iowa LOL). There are plenty of younger coaches that might ignite the RTC and help build the program at U of I.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by CasualFan44 View Post
          Iowa made a statement. The way they rode the Illinois wrestlers was an embarrassment. I hope Coach Poeta and every High School coach in Illinois took note of that. Mat wrestling is something every young wrestler needs to learn and needs to be preached and taught correctly at the high school level.

          I have one other thought and maybe it is time to move on from Medlin at the RTC. I would have thought brining him in would have helped with in state recruiting but it has not (nice to see Warner at Iowa LOL). There are plenty of younger coaches that might ignite the RTC and help build the program at U of I.
          Medlin did not take the RTC job until Warner was out of HS. Medlin is not the problem. He has actually gotten some really nice adds to the RTC (Kamal Bey, Ellis Coleman, Max Nowry, etc.). Other than that, I agree with your sentiments. I've always said that our state does not put enough focus on mat wrestling. Way too many of our great programs have historically loved the "take down, let them up" game. Great wrestlers need to be great on their feet, but it should not come at the detriment of mediocre mat wrestling. Great wrestlers who hope to compete at a high level in college need to be able to get out from bottom and need to be able to put on a good punishing ride. But, regardless of what mat skills wrestlers come in with, it's up to the coaching staff to make that a key focus. The lllini obviously need some serious work on their mat wrestling.

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          • #6
            Not only some of the top programs liking to score from neutral but the fact that our officials call stalling on the top man more often than any other State that I have watched wrestling in has led to the takedown culture in Illinois.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by CONDOR View Post
              Not only some of the top programs liking to score from neutral but the fact that our officials call stalling on the top man more often than any other State that I have watched wrestling in has led to the takedown culture in Illinois.
              You make a very good point, Condor. Too many officials only look for top guy riding hips parallel for more than 'x' seconds. I do agree that the top guy needs to do more than ride the hips, but sometimes you have to look to see what he is working while on the hips. If the top guy is consistently working to secure wrists, arm bars, halfs, etc., they should be allowed to work that as long as they are show a willingness to run those once they are secured.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Nelson*0.5 View Post
                the plight of being a lifelong fan of the Illini
                Yes, that is a plight. Almost more like a plague actually.

                Unfortunately all your ramblings and wrangling can't make these guys wrestle or train any better or harder than they were planning on.

                I can tell you when I was in college, it is awfully hard to make lemonade from lemons unless that lemon is you.

                It must be hard being neither a wrestler nor a coach and hoping that your team might improve by your jibber-jabber. Hope is not a strategy.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by miketamillow View Post

                  Yes, that is a plight. Almost more like a plague actually.

                  Unfortunately all your ramblings and wrangling can't make these guys wrestle or train any better or harder than they were planning on.

                  I can tell you when I was in college, it is awfully hard to make lemonade from lemons unless that lemon is you.

                  It must be hard being neither a wrestler nor a coach and hoping that your team might improve by your jibber-jabber. Hope is not a strategy.
                  Yeah.....great point Mike. I guess all fans should just keep our thoughts to ourselves then. Thanks for chiming in. Very valuable insights.

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                  • #10
                    What a pompous twat

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by HuffHall View Post
                      What a pompous twat
                      Lol. Couldn't say it any better.

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