Top teams in AAA....

[pikeboy311]

PC last won state in football in 2004--Mt. Carmel 2002.

This year the PC football team beat Mt. Carmel on the varsity and sophomore levels.

Yes, the CCL is important, but duals are head-to-head and mean more than a tournament, where you might not be in direct competition with the other team. And I recall PC holding a tight grip on that CCL for many, many years, followed by St. Rita.

Mt. Carmel's performance this past decade in the CCL tournament has not been too great, as they were always finishing third behind Providence and Mt. Carmel.

Also, Mt. Carmel has twice as many boys as PC, too, which should allow them an edge in football. In football MC is 8-5 against PC, with two of those wins in overtime, so it has been pretty even.

I just didn't like you calling PC fans whiners, especially when you're a Mt. Carmel alum, as their fans and study body are notorious troublemakes and complainers, especially in wrestling and football.

I just don't see that Mt. Carmel wrestling team being a powerhouse anymore. They do have good coaches, but they're losing to many kids to schools like St. Rita and Rice, and it's hurting them.

When Mt. Carmel wins a head-to-head dual against the Celtics, then you can boast.

I'm sure if the shoe was on the other foot, those Mt. Carmel fans would be talking smack to the cows come home.

I remember this first-hand from football. But now their arrogance has caught up to them, and they're no longer a state power in wrestling.

[wrestle21]

This thread is so ridiculous. Minooka has one good season in their history, and all of the sudden they are a state power and are to be respected; respect is only warranted when a school wins a certain number of state championships. For years PC has beaten Minooka by 50 points or so

One Good Season???? Just so you know.... this is the 2nd time in 3 years that Minooka has placed ahead of Providence at the Geneseo Tournament.

[mckbln]

I think that as it stands right now, barring any injuries or incidents, you are looking at the Pekin Team Sectional winner of match A, probably Minooka, vs OPRF in the state finals. A lot can happen between now and then of course.

[Southern_Hospitality]

They have a very solid TEAM. They are much more balanced than they are given credit for being. And the last time I posted a Top 10 without a southern school, Southern Hospitality called me names!

Seriously, they are a team that many top coaches feel may not have the marquee names but has the talent to compete with most.

Geez, I am not putting my two cents in this thread and I am still getting hammered.

[cementjob]

This thread is so ridiculous. Minooka has one good season in their history, and all of the sudden they are a state power and are to be respected; respect is only warranted when a school wins a certain number of state championships. For years PC has beaten Minooka by 50 points or so, and Minooka has NEVER even been in the state finals, something PC has done 15 times. If Minooka fans want to celebrate their .5 victory over PC to capture the tournament, then so be it, but Minooka won't be bringing a state trophy home this season, and that's how we will remember them.

PC fans are whiners? What about the Caravan? Their incessant whining led to the state tournament being cancelled in 1995. Rather than sit out, the Caravan had to threaten to take the IHSA to court, therefore ALL of the teams suffered because of Mt. Carmel's arrogance. When PC beat the Caravan downstate in 1998 and 2002 it wasn't luck, it was being a better team. It's been 11 years since the arrogant Caravan with their arrogant fans beat PC, and this is so sweet.

Here's to another PC 50, MC 6, score this month.

Mt. Carmel's football team hasn't won state since 2002 and their wrestling team hasn't won state since 1994. They're no longer the school of champions.

That title belongs to PC.

Here's to beating Mt. Carmel 11 straight years!

You are a joke!
By your logic, there isn't a team other than Providence and Glenbard North that can be respected because historically they haven't be powerhouses.

As far as Providence beating Minooka by 50 points or more- good for you, no one is trying to take away those wins. In case you don't know whether it is by 50 points or .5 it goes in the book as a W.
One good season? I find that comical, Minooka has consistently been building our program over the course of many years. That's what you have to do when you are unable to hand-pick kids from all over the area. Every kid on our roster has grown up in our district, can you say the same?

Sounds like someone is sweating the fact that Minooka beat Providence.

Also, you are stretching a bit trying to call out Mt. Carmel. It has pretty much been stated since before the season started that they were young and were going to be weaker than previous years.

P.S. Since you threw out a history lesson, I will throw out one too Providence hasn't won wrestling state since 2002 same year that Mt Carmel won their last football State Championship.

[Southern_Hospitality]

I usually agree with Southern Hospitality. But he is biased, since he recently wrestled at Edwardsville. Based on this past weekend, I think that Granite City or O'Fallon could compete on the level that you place Edwardsville. And, Granite beat them fairly convincingly. They are improving since their early meets.

Again, I have not said nothing and I still get hammered. Since I am, I might well pipe in here. I did not say anything about who the favorite is. Personally, I expect a dog fight between the three for the regional championship. FYI, I already have predictions for the regional, but I will not put on the public board for certain reasons. Yes, Granite beaten Edwardsville fair and squared. I think I already congratulate them on the win. FYI, I am well known by the Granite coaches, most of the wrestlers, and a few parents. They know I would never take a swipe at the programs because they know I have nothing, but respect for that program. Geez, I actually wore a Granite shirt a couple years ago when they dual Edwardsville

Honestly, I had been told that I am more critical of Edwardsville then anything. Yes, I speak my opinion alot and my freely opinionated mouth get me in trouble with many of the Edwardsville parents.

ps: I don't believe 10 years count as recently !

[Southern_Hospitality]

Granite City is by far IMO the best team downstate; they have proven it so far in BOTH dual and tournament results.

Ok, boys! I guess it official now because someone have spoken who have never seen Granite City, O'Fallon, or Edwardsville wrestle this year and lives 5 hours away from these schools. I guess it is okay because a Chicagoland person have spoken because everyone know Chicago runs the state !


ps: I hope you get my sarcasm

[Joe Terronez]

Hononegah

Does anyone know what they have done in the past two weeks to prepare themselves for the individual and state team series? It is what I preach, and some people dont understand it, because they either have not been thru it, or have not been around long enough to know. With my 40 years experience, I learned it the hard way!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! My Augie Alum friend Mr. B, probably know first hand also.

[mckbln]

So anyway, before we go off on another tangent, who thinks which 8 teams make the state finals????

[Warrior70]

Again, I have not said nothing and I still get hammered. Since I am, I might well pipe in here. I did not say anything about who the favorite is. Personally, I expect a dog fight between the three for the regional championship. FYI, I already have predictions for the regional, but I will not put on the public board for certain reasons. Honestly, I had been told that I am more critical of Edwardsville then anything. Yes, I speak my opinion alot and my freely opinionated mouth get me in trouble with many of the Edwardsville parents.

ps: I don't believe 10 years count as recently !

Bill, your 10 years is recent compared to my almost 40 years out of school. As I stated, you and I usually agree on most things on here. The Edwardsville Regional will be a three-way fight. And some of the guys from Collinsville will cause problems for the three big guns in the region. Based on tournament finishes, Granite might have the stronger tournament team. I want to run this through my computer, first, though. Less than 10 points should separate the three top teams in that Regional this year. However, no matter what the draw after the Regional, at this point, none of the three is greater than top 15.

[mckbln]

Does anyone know what they have done in the past two weeks to prepare themselves for the individual and state team series? It is what I preach, and some people dont understand it, because they either have not been thru it, or have not been around long enough to know. With my 40 years experience, I learned it the hard way!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! My Augie Alum friend Mr. B, probably know first hand also.

Yea, and I am really wondering which team will come out of that regional be it GC, Edwardsville or O'Fallon. Rockton-Hononegah is a veteran team that always seems to make it to the state tournament. They have some really TOUGH kids in Dwyer and McMahon. I think they are built more like O'Fallon, vs Edwardsville and GC. You figure that whichever team wins, they will probably face Mt Carmel.

[2inot]

Hononegah

Does anyone know what they have done in the past two weeks to prepare themselves for the individual and state team series? It is what I preach, and some people dont understand it, because they either have not been thru it, or have not been around long enough to know. With my 40 years experience, I learned it the hard way!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! My Augie Alum friend Mr. B, probably know first hand also.

Carl Sandburg duels yesterday, 2-1 loss to Crystal Lake Central. Had a Duel with Harlem cancelled due to snow thurs. Last weekend in the Sycamore Tournament.

[Southern_Hospitality]

Bill, your 10 years is recent compared to my almost 40 years out of school. As I stated, you and I usually agree on most things on here. The Edwardsville Regional will be a three-way fight. And some of the guys from Collinsville will cause problems for the three big guns in the region. Based on tournament finishes, Granite might have the stronger tournament team. I want to run this through my computer, first, though. Less than 10 points should separate the three top teams in that Regional this year. However, no matter what the draw after the Regional, at this point, none of the three is greater than top 15.

When in the hell did I say any of those three teams belongs in the top 10? The answer is never. Quite frankly, rankings mean nothing and it matters what happens on the mat rather than what look good on paper. Again, I never chime in this thread until today so I don't know where guys think I am arguing. Yes, I disagree with him, but it was last year. I am not arguing that Granite is a good tournament team because they are and they should be the favorite based on the results. I merely said that I think O'Fallon is a better tournament team than a dual team. You are forgetting that their are some guys from Belleville West, Alton, Belleville East, East St. Louis and Quincy that will cause more problems then you think.

[mckbln]

Carl Sandburg duels yesterday, 2-1 loss to Crystal Lake Central. Had a Duel with Harlem cancelled due to snow thurs. Last weekend in the Sycamore Tournament.

Crystal Lake Central is a very good team. They are the clear #2 behind Montini in AA and their 3rd place at Conant and 1st place at the HC tournaments with a lot of good AAA teams in the mix shows it. Them beating Carl Sandburg is no fluke.

[MR TWISTER]

pike...Pike ...Pike...R U serious...not a wrestling power...hahahaha

PC last won state in football in 2004--Mt. Carmel 2002.

This year the PC football team beat Mt. Carmel on the varsity and sophomore levels.

Yes, the CCL is important, but duals are head-to-head and mean more than a tournament, where you might not be in direct competition with the other team. And I recall PC holding a tight grip on that CCL for many, many years, followed by St. Rita.

Mt. Carmel's performance this past decade in the CCL tournament has not been too great, as they were always finishing third behind Providence and Mt. Carmel.

Also, Mt. Carmel has twice as many boys as PC, too, which should allow them an edge in football. In football MC is 8-5 against PC, with two of those wins in overtime, so it has been pretty even.

I just didn't like you calling PC fans whiners, especially when you're a Mt. Carmel alum, as their fans and study body are notorious troublemakes and complainers, especially in wrestling and football.

I just don't see that Mt. Carmel wrestling team being a powerhouse anymore. They do have good coaches, but they're losing to many kids to schools like St. Rita and Rice, and it's hurting them.

When Mt. Carmel wins a head-to-head dual against the Celtics, then you can boast.

I'm sure if the shoe was on the other foot, those Mt. Carmel fans would be talking smack to the cows come home.

I remember this first-hand from football. But now their arrogance has caught up to them, and they're no longer a state power in wrestling.

So you say Mt Carmel is not a power in wrestling? I tell you what piker...count the individual state champs since 2002 and when you get the numbers I want you to tell me which school has more...not only in the CCL or between MC and PC but in the entire state....Yes that would be Mt Carmel, Mr Green and White....but of course you can't lead the state in champions if you are not a power in the sport...and who as in recruits has MC lost to SR and BR...as a matter of fact I don't see anyone on the SR roster that MC wanted or tried to get...give me a break...when was there any trouble by MC fans with PC at a football or wrestling meet?...I need facts...when I say...when...tight grip on the CCL...are you serious...yes PC is an elite program...but no more than MC which is why we lead the CCL in the all time ...champions and titles list...you need to do your homework...would you like a copy of the state or CCL record books so you can count?...in both football and wrestling...we won enough to take a few years off and still lead the race my pikeboy...you are sounding a lot like Geezus...and you don't want that....at least I and a lot of other people respect Coach Healy and know that he would not want you making these dumb statements....

like I said...win a CCL title this year then pop off...until then...hail to the champs...Maybe Cooper will give you a state title becasue it looks like your 103 needs to go 112......BTW...your boys don't lead in that catagory either the last few years....

I decided to say you the trouble02...MC 4...PC 2
03...MC 2...PC 1
04...MC 1...PC 2
05...MC 1...PC 1
06...MC 1...PC 1
07...MC 3...PC 1
08...MC 1...PC 0
MC 12 PC 8
MC leads the state in titles last 7 years
Need I mention that MC holds the record for most champs in a single year '02 during that span and almost eclisped that record again in '07. I could not find any year PC had more than 2 in one year.

Actually I figured your squad had more state titles the last few years but the last time PC won a title...2002...guess who was right there too..MC...yes you beat us..no doubt and you have a couple of runner ups while we lost to the state champs St Rita on the other side of town...but let's keep it real...neither team has been in team championship form because of St Rita and Sandburg...that is the reality of it...

Now don't get me wrong...I think that PC is a great program...their strength is in team wins...MC's is in individuals...but to say MC is not a wrestling power is just not true...especially since they lead the state and their conference in individual champs...I probably should count All Staters during that same time frame just to see....just for the fun of it...

02...MC 1...PC 2
03...MC 1...PC 1
04...MC 1...PC 5
05...MC 3...PC 2
06...MC 4...PC 1
07...MC 1...PC 2
08...MC 2...PC 4
MC 14 PC 17

So when you add it all up that is MC 26 total All State medals and PC 25...damn Piker...you lose again...to a team that is not a powerhouse....imagine if we didn't lose those imaginary wrestlers you say to St Rita or Brother Rice...but then again you sure could of used the ones that Sandburg had as well...right...opps...sorry to bring that up...remember the ones that transfered away to get rings....are you sure you want to play this game...

I would do the CCL numbers but whats the point...you already know the answer...because if we get to adding champs...or 4 timers or whatever MC will do just fine...I have the record book right here so please don't force my hand...

See this all started because someone (not you) made an excuse about why PC did not win Geneseo...and put Minooka down in the process...which is never needed..excuses are like Booty holes...we all got one and they are all round....if you have a great program (which PC does) then don't put another one down (like Minooka or in your case Mt Carmel) because if you do, you have to be prepared for someone to examine your program....

BTW..Please don't say let's go back farther because the numbers still balance out...and God forbide you go to the early 90's...well you know the results...and we don't count class A...ask Montini....

Let me know if you want me to break out the football records...that's when it gets ugly...

See you at CCL's and best of luck to the Little Green Men and the boys in Brown too...