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  • #16
    182 Congenie (If Congenie canít wrestle then Brooks. Dechow and McGiffin on bench)

    It's a moot point; Congenie did not wrestle.


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    • #17
      Residori at 170. 3A Champ, 3-0 career vs. Jackson. 3-time 3A All-Stater...give the kid some respect. Mckbln got it right IMO. It was a bloody shame the coaches at IL/IN dual gave Jackson the nod....no respect at all....not meaning any disrespect for Jackson...heck of a wrestler...just saying.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by mckbln View Post
        Just a quick look...

        Against PA, at 106 we would be competative, but not favored; I give both Jimminez and Cortez wins at 113 and 120. We lose 126 but win 132. We probably lose 138...at 145...tough call. Brill definitely could win, but would be a toss-up. At 152 Max gets bonus points, but at 160...as tough as McMurtry is...he isn't going to beat Marsteller and 170 is also a loss. We sweep 3 straight matches with potential bonus points from 182-220. Buss would probably get beat, but it would be a tight match...

        ...Would be cool to see...
        Against PA I don't see Schneider getting bonus points against Peppelman. I also would be more surprised to see Marchok win by bonus points against Haines than i would be to see him lose to Haines outright. Not saying that Haines should be favored against Marchok, as he shouldn't be (Marchok is a total stud and deserves his #1 ranking), but he (Haines) has demolished his way to 2 PA state titles as a freshman and sophomore in the 215/220 weight classes the last 2 years for a reason.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Jim Edmonds View Post
          Against PA I don't see Schneider getting bonus points against Peppelman. I also would be more surprised to see Marchok win by bonus points against Haines than i would be to see him lose to Haines outright. Not saying that Haines should be favored against Marchok, as he shouldn't be (Marchok is a total stud and deserves his #1 ranking), but he (Haines) has demolished his way to 2 PA state titles as a freshman and sophomore in the 215/220 weight classes the last 2 years for a reason.
          Good point. The problem with Peppelman vs Schneider is that I simply don't think he is prepared for Schneider's style of wrestling. The reason I say Marchok over Haines and possibly by bonus points has to do with the overall weakness of the upper weights in PA...vs say Ohio, where they are LOADED with upper weight talent...the exception being 285, where PA has 2-3 really good kids, one being FROM IL (Johnson). Heck, not even including the rest of Ohio, St Eds alone can match any state from 170-285...vs IL we would have to have Brooks, Johnson, Marchok, and Buss vs St Eds and we would probably still go 2-2.
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          • #20
            Interesting...not bad

            Originally posted by Hanging out in Cali View Post
            I would put Congenie at 195 as I think he beats the 2 listed. If Johnson not available at HWT, then Marchok probably beats any of the heavies listed. How did I do?
            I haven't seen Congenie in a while and I don't know how big he is. But if he was full sized at 195 I would have to pick him. Would be interesting to see him wrestle Johnson and Harrah.

            Regarding Marchok, I'd have to see how big he was too. But he could definitely go with the heavies I have no doubt about that.

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            • #21
              Not a moot point

              Originally posted by mckbln View Post
              182 Congenie (If Congenie canít wrestle then Brooks. Dechow and McGiffin on bench)

              It's a moot point; Congenie did not wrestle.


              It's my team, I can pick whoever I want. I think Congenie is the best 182 in the state, and many people I talk to think he is too.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by aaafan View Post
                Residori at 170. 3A Champ, 3-0 career vs. Jackson. 3-time 3A All-Stater...give the kid some respect. Mckbln got it right IMO. It was a bloody shame the coaches at IL/IN dual gave Jackson the nod....no respect at all....not meaning any disrespect for Jackson...heck of a wrestler...just saying.
                I don't know. I would have picked Residori until I saw Jackson in person on Sunday. He is a specimen. I hope some college picks him up, I think he could do some damage if he is in the right situation.

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                • #23
                  I got all the respect in the world for Jackson, but, Residori would have mauled the IN kid just as bad, or worse perhaps, but then we'll never know. Jackson threw that IN kid in a cradle almost casually, and Jackson is not exactly known as a cradler. What 49-0 kid gets thrown in a cradle by a non-cradler?? Point is...that win doesn't elevate Jackson to superstardom just yet...he's arguably second best in IL yet. I do hope to see him in college though, and I'm certain he'll get signed too, and that's good news!!!!

                  Anyway, I am also amazed at the lack of respect for Klimara in this thread. I would be surprised if anyone in the nation could beat him, yet he has been picked to lose 2 out of 2 matches already in this thread!! Maybe that would happen, but that's why you wrestle...instead of prognosticate.

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                  • #24
                    My illinois all star team

                    106 Kris Williams, Harvey (Thornton)
                    113 Johnny Jimenez, Aurora (Marmion Academy)
                    120 Jered Cortez, Carol Stream (Glenbard North)
                    126 Eddie Klimara, New Lenox (Providence Catholic)
                    132 Sal Annoreno, Bartlett
                    138 Justin Meyers, LeRoy
                    145 Rico Zayas, Des Plaines (Maine West)
                    152 Brian Bahrs, Sterling (Newman Central Catholic)
                    160 Shaunqae McMurtry, Lockport (Twp.)
                    170 Nathan Jackson, Chicago Heights (Marian)
                    182 Jordan Ellingwood, Plainfield (Central)
                    195 Alex Peterson, Wilmington
                    220 Edgar Ruano, Lombard (Montini)
                    285 Rob Bain, Bolingbrook
                    If you're a champion, you have to have it in your heart.
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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by aaafan View Post
                      Residori at 170. 3A Champ, 3-0 career vs. Jackson. 3-time 3A All-Stater...give the kid some respect. Mckbln got it right IMO. It was a bloody shame the coaches at IL/IN dual gave Jackson the nod....no respect at all....not meaning any disrespect for Jackson...heck of a wrestler...just saying.
                      How many of those 3 wins came this year? The only loss for Jackson in the rankings is listed as a dq from a slam. Residori does have a loss to Tindle this year, Jackson has a win against Tindle this year.

                      The coaches at IL/IN did show Residori respect-- they made sure to invite him and that he got a match. But based off of this year's results, giving the nod to Jackson seems reasonable.

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                      • #26
                        106-Williams
                        113-Jimenez
                        120-Cortez
                        126-Klimara
                        132-Richards
                        138-Langenderfer/Silvestro
                        145-Moylan
                        152-Schneider
                        160-McMurtry/Reel
                        170-Jackson/Residori
                        182-Brooks
                        195-Harrah/Johnson
                        220-Marchok
                        285-Buss

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by aaafan View Post
                          I got all the respect in the world for Jackson, but, Residori would have mauled the IN kid just as bad, or worse perhaps, but then we'll never know. Jackson threw that IN kid in a cradle almost casually, and Jackson is not exactly known as a cradler. What 49-0 kid gets thrown in a cradle by a non-cradler?? Point is...that win doesn't elevate Jackson to superstardom just yet...he's arguably second best in IL yet. I do hope to see him in college though, and I'm certain he'll get signed too, and that's good news!!!!

                          Anyway, I am also amazed at the lack of respect for Klimara in this thread. I would be surprised if anyone in the nation could beat him, yet he has been picked to lose 2 out of 2 matches already in this thread!! Maybe that would happen, but that's why you wrestle...instead of prognosticate.
                          I think I am surprised too. I am also surprised that Pearce has no mention at all in this mix. Pearce vs. Kilmara would be a great match. In Folkstyle, I think Pearce has wrestled more on the National scene. He lost to Randy Cruz 4-3 in the last seconds of the match, Beat Dakota Baur, and then lost to Joey Ward 7-5. The Ayersman match was a big one because they split last summer Pearce beating him 6-1 and Ayersman beat Pearce 6-5. Your thinking that Kilmara is getting no respect, and Im think Pearce is getting totally disrespected
                          You sound like a dog with peanutbutter on the roof of his mouth.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by usaw018 View Post
                            106 Kris Williams, Harvey (Thornton)
                            113 Johnny Jimenez, Aurora (Marmion Academy)
                            120 Jered Cortez, Carol Stream (Glenbard North)
                            126 Eddie Klimara, New Lenox (Providence Catholic)
                            132 Sal Annoreno, Bartlett
                            138 Justin Meyers, LeRoy
                            145 Rico Zayas, Des Plaines (Maine West)
                            152 Brian Bahrs, Sterling (Newman Central Catholic)
                            160 Shaunqae McMurtry, Lockport (Twp.)
                            170 Nathan Jackson, Chicago Heights (Marian)
                            182 Jordan Ellingwood, Plainfield (Central)
                            195 Alex Peterson, Wilmington
                            220 Edgar Ruano, Lombard (Montini)
                            285 Rob Bain, Bolingbrook
                            Your Illinois All Star team would have trouble beating what's left of the Illinois field in a dual, let alone OH or PA.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by barzagar View Post
                              It's my team, I can pick whoever I want. I think Congenie is the best 182 in the state, and many people I talk to think he is too.
                              I won't get into the fact that Congenie didn't wrestle this season, but I will get into the fact that he said if he were to wrestle it would be at 195.

                              Heck on my team I'll put Congenie at 106 because I don't think there's a 106lber in the world that can beat him. BONUS POINTS!!!

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by PapaBearSLIM View Post
                                I won't get into the fact that Congenie didn't wrestle this season, but I will get into the fact that he said if he were to wrestle it would be at 195.

                                Heck on my team I'll put Congenie at 106 because I don't think there's a 106lber in the world that can beat him. BONUS POINTS!!!
                                I think he said that in a newspaper article in January relatively close to the state series. I think the fact the he had no time to get down to weight might have been a reason why he had said 195.

                                IBW had him ranked preseason at 182, so if you know something Rob Sherill didn't, please tell us.

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