Add a new/old weight

[himself]

3a state brackets will be loaded this year with great talent, but I personally would like to see an added weight in the 126 to 145 range. I believe the state series will be better to have a 125; 130; 135; and 140 weight brackets. Just like the old days. Maybe that is too much for 1a, but 2a and 3a could handle it. Yes, 15 weight brackets.

[Mike Hunt]

Sure, let's another class or two as well...

[Mainefan]

Sure, let's another class or two as well...

Why the sarcasm? What would the objection be to one extra weight class in the weight range that tends to produce the most wrestlers. If there is one , I certainly would like to hear it.

[ctdad]

Why the sarcasm? What would the objection be to one extra weight class in the weight range that tends to produce the most wrestlers. If there is one , I certainly would like to hear it.

Probably because weight classes have nothing to do with how loaded the 3A brackets will be. They always are. So are the 2A and 1A brackets.

Are they equal, no. Never heard anyone claim they were. Will some deserving kids be left home? Yup. Will some get there who are not as good as others in other parts of the state? Yup. Both happened under the old weights, too. And people complained about it then.

And suggesting that 3A and 2A should get 15 weight classes because they, in his opinion, can handle them but that it too much for 1A is pure snobbery. What do you do during the season? 14 or 15? What do you do when a 1A school meets a 3A school? (out here in the Western Big 6, Alleman is 1A, Rock Island and East Moline are 2A and Moline and Quincy are 3A).

Now to be fair, IMO, the old weights were fine except for the 171-189-215 area. Way too far apart. If a 15th weight was to be added, it needed to be in this range. However, just be glad they didn't cut back to 13 or 12.

[Mike Hunt]

Why don't we just give everyone a medal than? Seriously.

[mckbln]

I could go on over this forever. Illinois had it perfect with two classes and Montini in 2A and the old weight classes...and then they cocked it up.
We lost a weight class in the most heavily concentrated weight classes by talent and numbers from 125-145 and added a completely unnecessary weight class between 171 and 285. Spread? Please.
At one time it went 167, 185, Hwt. In 1973 an athletic barely 200lbs Ken Stewart beat a much MUCH heavier Kevin Pancratz who was a returning state placer at Hwt. The weight differential in the upper weights has never been an issue...the lack of depth in talent and numbers has, and there have already been statistics to back this up. The spread from 171, 189, 215, and Hwt was fine. Putting the 195lbs weight class was just plain stupid. If anything, it would have made more sense to make 103 105lbs, and go with 15 weight classes; 105, 112, 119, 125, 130, 135, 140, 145, 152, 160, 170, 182, 195, 220, 285.

The three class system has basically given us the same Class A (for the most part), a really weak 2A with the exception of ONE dominant team, and the 3A, tougher with Marmion Academy moving up. I liked the old two class system with more regionals and sectionals, and a team sectional with 4 teams that advanced just one. Again, if you wanted to make 3 classes better, don't do an even 33/33/33 split. Modify it to 30/40/30...you increase the 2A competition without losing it in 1A or 3A.

[wrestlingloveit]

i could go on over this forever. Illinois had it perfect with two classes and montini in 2a and the old weight classes...and then they cocked it up.
We lost a weight class in the most heavily concentrated weight classes by talent and numbers from 125-145 and added a completely unnecessary weight class between 171 and 285. Spread? Please.
At one time it went 167, 185, hwt. In 1973 an athletic barely 200lbs ken stewart beat a much much heavier kevin pancratz who was a returning state placer at hwt. The weight differential in the upper weights has never been an issue...the lack of depth in talent and numbers has, and there have already been statistics to back this up. The spread from 171, 189, 215, and hwt was fine. Putting the 195lbs weight class was just plain stupid. If anything, it would have made more sense to make 103 105lbs, and go with 15 weight classes; 105, 112, 119, 125, 130, 135, 140, 145, 152, 160, 170, 182, 195, 220, 285.

The three class system has basically given us the same class a (for the most part), a really weak 2a with the exception of one dominant team, and the 3a, tougher with marmion academy moving up. I liked the old two class system with more regionals and sectionals, and a team sectional with 4 teams that advanced just one. Again, if you wanted to make 3 classes better, don't do an even 33/33/33 split. Modify it to 30/40/30...you increase the 2a competition without losing it in 1a or 3a.

could not have said it better.

[OldWarrior84]

Just when we thought this topic was dead...this subject (weight classes) and the public/private recruiting "scandals" subject...we need to move on. Let's come up with some fresh topics...some have been popping up now and again (addition of riding time, stalling calls, etc.)... just saying, why beat the dead horse?

[hoopdawg]

Yup, they should've just added the 15th weight class up high and left the middle weights alone...then everyone would,ve been happy

[LastoftheRedskins]

I could go on over this forever. Illinois had it perfect with two classes and Montini in 2A and the old weight classes...and then they cocked it up.
We lost a weight class in the most heavily concentrated weight classes by talent and numbers from 125-145 and added a completely unnecessary weight class between 171 and 285. Spread? Please.
At one time it went 167, 185, Hwt. In 1973 an athletic barely 200lbs Ken Stewart beat a much MUCH heavier Kevin Pancratz who was a returning state placer at Hwt. The weight differential in the upper weights has never been an issue...the lack of depth in talent and numbers has, and there have already been statistics to back this up. The spread from 171, 189, 215, and Hwt was fine. Putting the 195lbs weight class was just plain stupid. If anything, it would have made more sense to make 103 105lbs, and go with 15 weight classes; 105, 112, 119, 125, 130, 135, 140, 145, 152, 160, 170, 182, 195, 220, 285.

The three class system has basically given us the same Class A (for the most part), a really weak 2A with the exception of ONE dominant team, and the 3A, tougher with Marmion Academy moving up. I liked the old two class system with more regionals and sectionals, and a team sectional with 4 teams that advanced just one. Again, if you wanted to make 3 classes better, don't do an even 33/33/33 split. Modify it to 30/40/30...you increase the 2A competition without losing it in 1A or 3A.

or.... we can stop catering to underclassmen and start at 110, 118, 125, 130,135,140,145,152,160,170,182,195,220,HWT. In my opinion 105 is the most abused, when it comes to weight cutting. The smallest weight at the next level is 125 so why not promote body development and strength training to those kids still developing when they are freshman and sophomores. Don't know too many adult males walking around at 105lbs outside of wrestling. Almost all other high school sports are dominated by upper classmen, so if your kid has to use his freshman/sophomore year to get bigger and stronger then good, he has a goal to work towards. If they are good enough and have the potential colleges will recognize the talent, same as they do in any other sport.

[Truth is Out There]

so if your kid has to use his freshman/sophomore year to get bigger and stronger then good, he has a goal to work towards.

Weigh the kids on the 106 podium... let me know who isn't 120+ lbs. when the flash goes off.

So sick of the nonsense that this kid was only 100 lbs., this other was only 95 lbs. and we need a spot for them too. We have a spot for them: on frosh or JV.

[MR TWISTER]

or.... we can stop catering to underclassmen and start at 110, 118, 125, 130,135,140,145,152,160,170,182,195,220,HWT. In my opinion 105 is the most abused, when it comes to weight cutting. The smallest weight at the next level is 125 so why not promote body development and strength training to those kids still developing when they are freshman and sophomores. Don't know too many adult males walking around at 105lbs outside of wrestling. Almost all other high school sports are dominated by upper classmen, so if your kid has to use his freshman/sophomore year to get bigger and stronger then good, he has a goal to work towards. If they are good enough and have the potential colleges will recognize the talent, same as they do in any other sport.

Maybe that is why we need the lower weight classes. Wrestling is the only sport for the small kid that is a late developer. I for one am thankful for the 103 weight class. It kept my son in the sport an eventually he was able to parlay his continued interest in the sport to a college scholarship and degree. That would not of happened had he not had the 103 weight class or been forced to wrestle f/s. Some of the greatest wrestlers in this state and all of the other states started at the smallest weight class. I vote for the little guys every time.

[MR TWISTER]

Weigh the kids on the 106 podium... let me know who isn't 120+ lbs. when the flash goes off.

So sick of the nonsense that this kid was only 100 lbs., this other was only 95 lbs. and we need a spot for them too. We have a spot for them: on frosh or JV.

Spoken like a true big guy and father of a big kid who was no where near that weight as a freshman. I will take my 103 pounder and with all things equal varsity or not and beat the snot out of your big kid. The little guys don't have to be on frosh or j.v. just because they are small. Most have a lot of talent and it needs to be showcased.

Really surprised (well maybe I am not) at you and your prejudice against the little guys. You are always so outspoken and an advocate for fairness and equality....where is that on this topic?

[MR TWISTER]

Here is some good advice....

just when we thought this topic was dead...this subject (weight classes) and the public/private recruiting "scandals" subject...we need to move on. Let's come up with some fresh topics...some have been popping up now and again (addition of riding time, stalling calls, etc.)... Just saying, why beat the dead horse?

post of the day....:d

[MR TWISTER]

Why don't we just give everyone a medal than? Seriously.

I think the IHSA is trying to do just that...