Weight allowance

[mgcoach]

Does a wrestler have to be over the weight allowance to be designated the weight above. So a guy gets on the scale when 182 is called to and weighs 170.4 can he be designated the 182 and wrestle up to 195? Or does he HAVE to take the allowance?

[calotofwrestling]

That would be a question for the Ihsa.But the way I read it he can go 195 and he doesn't have to take the allowance.

[In the Know]

Does a wrestler have to be over the weight allowance to be designated the weight above. So a guy gets on the scale when 182 is called to and weighs 170.4 can he be designated the 182 and wrestle up to 195? Or does he HAVE to take the allowance?

It's my understanding that the allowance basically changes the allowable max of that weight class.

So no matter the reason for the allowance (growth or consecutive days of competition) that allowance moves the max allowed for that weight classes.

So in your described situation it's not a matter of wrestlet's "taking" the allowance. If he weighed 170.4 and there is an allowance the max for 170 is now 171.0 and if his actual weight is 170.4 then he is eligible for 170 and 182 NOT 195.

You have to go by the actual weight and what the max weight is for the weight class with allowance.

[mgcoach]

It's my understanding that the allowance basically changes the allowable max of that weight class.

So no matter the reason for the allowance (growth or consecutive days of competition) that allowance moves the max allowed for that weight classes.

So in your described situation it's not a matter of wrestlet's "taking" the allowance. If he weighed 170.4 and there is an allowance the max for 170 is now 171.0 and if his actual weight is 170.4 then he is eligible for 170 and 182 NOT 195.

You have to go by the actual weight and what the max weight is for the weight class with allowance.

Three points to make
1. the rule book states that an allowance MAY be given.
2. What if that wrestlers certification date says he is not allowed to be 170 until Nov 23rd ?.yesterday was the 20th so he therefore would not have been allowed by the IHSA to wrestle at 170 because he would not have been certified.
3. The case book states that a wrestler who qualifies for 220 by being 195.5 on day one does not have to be over 196 on day two. (2018 case book looking for this years.)

This is all academic at this point just want to hear the arguements.

[In the Know]

Three points to make
1. the rule book states that an allowance MAY be given.

3. The case book states that a wrestler who qualifies for 220 by being 195.5 on day one does not have to be over 196 on day two. (2018 case book looking for this years.)

In point # 1 The book says nothing about a wrestler having an option or choice to take the allowance

In the case of #3 the wrestler had already made the initial weigh in for the meet/tournament so his 2nd day weigh in is irrelevant as long as he is not over. There is no minimum weight to make for 2nd day of competition.

[mgcoach]

In point # 1 The book says nothing about a wrestler having an option or choice to take the allowance

In the case of #3 the wrestler had already made the initial weigh in for the meet/tournament so his 2nd day weigh in is irrelevant as long as he is not over. There is no minimum weight to make for 2nd day of competition.

I think we are on the same page. He should therefore be allowed to bump to 195 because he was established as 182 at the weigh in

[In the Know]

I think we are on the same page. He should therefore be allowed to bump to 195 because he was established as 182 at the weigh in

Agreed.......

[Louiedean]

Weight allowances - cert date and scratch wt

For a wrestler to get an allowance, either consecutive weigh in or growth (after Christmas) they need to be able to wrestle the wt class on the weigh in date and have previously made scratch wt.

Once the wt allowance is granted, especially with the growth allowance, which ultimately changes the wt class, they need to be over the wt to be able to bump up.

In a 2 day individual tournament the first day weigh in qualifies the wrestler for the tourney and the continual weigh in allowance will not exclude them. I am not sure if the second day of a dual tournament would be different.
I would expect this to be called/checked in a dual setting more often than in a tournament.

[mgcoach]

For a wrestler to get an allowance, either consecutive weigh in or growth (after Christmas) they need to be able to wrestle the wt class on the weigh in date and have previously made scratch wt.

Once the wt allowance is granted, especially with the growth allowance, which ultimately changes the wt class, they need to be over the wt to be able to bump up.

In a 2 day individual tournament the first day weigh in qualifies the wrestler for the tourney and the continual weigh in allowance will not exclude them. I am not sure if the second day of a dual tournament would be different.
I would expect this to be called/checked in a dual setting more often than in a tournament.

What you aren't addressing is if the date for the wrestler to be at the lesser weight hasn't occurred yet. Then that wrestler cannot be considered the lesser weight, therefore why would he have to be above the allowance weight. This has nothing to do with the growth allowance after Christmas because that effectively changes the weight class.

[Louiedean]

I agree with you on the lesser wt not being met

If a wrestler weighs 170.4 they can bump up to be 195, even on the second day of a 2 day tournament, or consecutive weigh in dates, as they have not met the requirement of the getting the allowance of the 170 wt class.

[refsforfun]

weight classes

Looking just at the simple case of getting the allowance because of consecutive days of wrestling or later in the season. If you are weighing in on a day that one pound is given it counts. So if you weigh 170.4 you are eligible to wrestle 170 because you qualify for that weight or 182 because it's the next weight up, not 195.

[HawkeyeMG]

refsforfun,
its not just a simple question though, if the wrestler has never made 170 before, they do not get the allowance. They could have also descended faster than the sheet says (OMG dont tell me ihsa has a flawed system....)
A wrestler could have missed their date for 170, thus cannot certify for 170 and would not get the allowance.

you only get weight allowance if you are weighing in at that weight.

Straight from weight control manual
Section 1.III.D
"Note: A wrestler may not take consecutive day weight allowance at any time during the year until he/she has made scratch weight at that weight class."

so given that we are not in every weigh in room to know what weights people have and have not made, you take the coaches word for it and if they are 170.4 and their coach declares them at 182, they can bump to 195

[mgcoach]

refsforfun,
its not just a simple question though, if the wrestler has never made 170 before, they do not get the allowance. They could have also descended faster than the sheet says (OMG dont tell me ihsa has a flawed system....)
A wrestler could have missed their date for 170, thus cannot certify for 170 and would not get the allowance.

you only get weight allowance if you are weighing in at that weight.

Straight from weight control manual
Section 1.III.D
"Note: A wrestler may not take consecutive day weight allowance at any time during the year until he/she has made scratch weight at that weight class."

so given that we are not in every weigh in room to know what weights people have and have not made, you take the coaches word for it and if they are 170.4 and their coach declares them at 182, they can bump to 195

the ruling we got was he was not allowed to bump because he qualifies for the 171 weight class. He did qualify for 170 the day before. We were told (after many emails and consultations by the powers that be) that the bump to 195 was not allowed but a flaw in the system was definitely pointed out and would be addressed with the IHSA and NFHS. I'll be interested to read next years case book to see if anything happens.