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157. Eric Barone

Hypothetical question: Say you have two wrestlers, and wrestler #1 is ranked higher in the coaches’ poll (#10 versus #21), higher in the RPI (#16 versus #29) and has a much better record against common opponents than wrestler #2. You would expect any logical computer program to predict a win for wrestler #1, right?

On top of all that, wrestler #1 wrestled in the toughest conference in the country, had the higher NCAA seed (#15 versus #18), and had NCAA tournament wrestling experience, whereas wrestler #2 had none. Well, send your hate mail to wrestlestat.com. That service predicts Logan Parks 8, Eric Barone 6.

Wrestlestat.com hates the ILLINI.

Barone has shown a great deal of confidence this year. Some astute pundits have even said he might have what it takes to reach the podium at the Big Dance. His first-round opponent, Logan Parks of Central Michigan, has a 22-12 record. He is 3-4 against the same guys that Barone has beaten at a 6-2 clip.

The Chippewa is tatted up like a German porn star and is a somewhat lanky fellow, but with some meat on his bones. He wrestled 165 the last two years, so an early morning match should benefit the ILLINI. This will be Parks’ first NCAA tournament. On offense, his go-to move is a front headlock throw-by. (Keep an eye on it coaches, at least one wrestler on video seemed to indicate the hold was illegal).

He will also try sweep singles to either side using his longish arms. On top, he will shuttle back and forth from a claw ride to a leg ride. Didn’t seem to have any tilts, other than a suck back. Parks’ big win this year was in the dual against Larry Early. Early got his revenge in the conference tournament. Parks also beat Zander Wick this season, but you could tell that Wick was a shell of his former self.

The winner of this match will almost certainly face Tyler Berder in the next round. Barone and Berder had an epic battle in Lincoln before the Cornhusker got the fall. The loser of the first-round match will face Benjamin Barton (11-3) of Campbell. Barton had to beat the #119- and #166-ranked wrestlers to win the SoCon championship. Last year, he had a 10-9 record at 149 pounds.

I don’t think there’s a Dark Horse at this weight that can unexpectedly make the finals, but if I had to pick one, I’d pick Kaleb Young. (Besides Barone, natch.) If PapaBearSlim got on here and told me that Larry Early was sick during the CMU dual, I might pick him as well. Nolf will win, but he’s a trash person. You don’t **** with somebody’s knees!
No he wasn't sick. Nursing an injury, before that week hadn't been on a mat (even practice) for weeks and wasn't expected to wrestle for at least another week. He looked good that Wednesday in practice and they decided to wrestle him... mistake. Zero quickness and conditioning led to 1 shot attempt and laying flat on his face for long stretches. That all played perfectly into Park's gameplan as he is not offensive and chose top to win by riding out. He grabs the headgear on his feet to control ties and the Illini coaches would be wise to alert the officials before the match.

If Barone doesn't get after it with the offense he found earlier in the year, this has the potential to be the most boring non upperweight match of the tournament.
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Parris???? He's wrestling like a true freshman who could have used a redshirt year. If you can't get past Conan Jennings in 3 attempts and you get manhandled by Cassar and lose to Jensen, you are not ready for a big-time showing in the big dance.
I missed it where I said it was a lock......
I thought I said surprises?

Maybe not.

I'll go back and read it again.

Hang on a second.......

Yep, I said surprises.

Whew, I was worried that I was going crazy.

I simply made some predictions.
If you want locks, then put ALL #1's vs. #2's in the finals, #3's vs. #4's in the third place match etc....

No reason for you to get upset that I didn't pick your guy.

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Huff, they are on opposite sides.
Rivera #1 seed, Lee #3.
You're right not sure how I misread that bracket
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You're right not sure how I misread that bracket
Because they put the names so damn close together.

I got a headache looking at them...

Or maybe it was my hangover.
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No he wasn't sick. Nursing an injury, before that week hadn't been on a mat (even practice) for weeks and wasn't expected to wrestle for at least another week. He looked good that Wednesday in practice and they decided to wrestle him... mistake. Zero quickness and conditioning led to 1 shot attempt and laying flat on his face for long stretches. That all played perfectly into Park's gameplan as he is not offensive and chose top to win by riding out. He grabs the headgear on his feet to control ties and the Illini coaches would be wise to alert the officials before the match.

If Barone doesn't get after it with the offense he found earlier in the year, this has the potential to be the most boring non upperweight match of the tournament.
Thanks! Put him on my list, then. I watched the match with Parks, while scouting Barone's opponents, and I knew something was wrong. Too bad they couldn't have figured that out during practice. That's why I don't think you wrestle a guy unless he's 98% ready to go. I don't care about ducking. That's a bull**** meme.


If Barone can work on him with movement and effort, I think he wears him down during the match. Parks is a big kid, and he must be pulling some lbs. Barone's got to be able to escape, though, to make it all happen.


I didn't notice Parks grabbing headgear, but that is good information to have! I did notice he almost choked out Zander Wick with a front headlock. Not cool!

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You're right not sure how I misread that bracket
My putting all the ILLINI kids names all over the bracket in big orange letters didn't help, either, Huff. But, I went for the *cool* factor, which is why I'm using asterisks in this sentence right now.

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My putting all the ILLINI kids names all over the bracket in big orange letters didn't help, either, Huff. But, I went for the *cool* factor, which is why I'm using asterisks in this sentence right now.

GO ILLINI!!!
"cool", because they look like snow flakes, Or self proclaimed cool to start a trend?
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Thanks! Put him on my list, then. I watched the match with Parks, while scouting Barone's opponents, and I knew something was wrong. Too bad they couldn't have figured that out during practice. That's why I don't think you wrestle a guy unless he's 98% ready to go. I don't care about ducking. That's a bull**** meme.


If Barone can work on him with movement and effort, I think he wears him down during the match. Parks is a big kid, and he must be pulling some lbs. Barone's got to be able to escape, though, to make it all happen.


I didn't notice Parks grabbing headgear, but that is good information to have! I did notice he almost choked out Zander Wick with a front headlock. Not cool!

GO ILLINI!!!
I was told about the headgear pulling after the 2nd match.
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Parris???? He's wrestling like a true freshman who could have used a redshirt year. If you can't get past Conan Jennings in 3 attempts and you get manhandled by Cassar and lose to Jensen, you are not ready for a big-time showing in the big dance.
LOL, Parris is wrestling nothing like a true freshman. First off, he is an undersized HWT that placed at the Big Tens and has qualified for the NCAA Tournament. Yes, Conan Jennings has beaten Parris three times but Jennings has beaten Parris on size and size along. If you watched each of their matches you can see Parris is a better wrestler than Jennings but Jennings used his size to wear Parris out late in each match. At Midlands, Parris took Jennings down two times in the first 45 seconds of the match. Parris has an aggressive style that hurts him late in matches against larger HWTs. This said, I would not be surprised to see Parris beat Jennings if they meet in round two at the NCAA tournament.

As far as getting manhandled by Cassar you are correct. Parris is a true freshman who lost by a major decision to a fifth year senior who is ranked #1 or #2 (depending on publication) in the country at HWT. Cassar is the real deal. I watched Cassar handle and control Kollin Moore last season as well.

As far as redshirting is concerned, only time will tell. I remember when Joe Williams got pulled from his redshirt season to help Iowa his freshman year. You may be right a redshirt year may have helped Parris but Michigan needed him to help their team this season. In addition, Parris has gained a ton of experience wrestling against all of the best heavyweights in the country so maybe this has helped Parris even more than a redshirt year??? Either way, Parris does have an outside shot of being an AA as a true freshman so I do think he is ready for the big dance, just not an individual national title.

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LOL, Parris is wrestling nothing like a true freshman. First off, he is an undersized HWT that placed at the Big Tens and has qualified for the NCAA Tournament. Yes, Conan Jennings has beaten Parris three times but Jennings has beaten Parris on size and size along. If you watched each of their matches you can see Parris is a better wrestler than Jennings but Jennings used his size to wear Parris out late in each match. At Midlands, Parris took Jennings down two times in the first 45 seconds of the match. Parris has an aggressive style that hurts him late in matches against larger HWTs. This said, I would not be surprised to see Parris beat Jennings if they meet in round two at the NCAA tournament.

As far as getting manhandled by Cassar you are correct. Parris is a true freshman who lost by a major decision to a fifth year senior who is ranked #1 or #2 (depending on publication) in the country at HWT. Cassar is the real deal. I watched Cassar handle and control Kollin Moore last season as well.

As far as redshirting is concerned, only time will tell. I remember when Joe Williams got pulled from his redshirt season to help Iowa his freshman year. You may be right a redshirt year may have helped Parris but Michigan needed him to help their team this season. In addition, Parris has gained a ton of experience wrestling against all of the best heavyweights in the country so maybe this has helped Parris even more than a redshirt year??? Either way, Parris does have an outside shot of being an AA as a true freshman so I do think he is ready for the big dance, just not an individual national title.
Everything you said proves my point so thank you for that. Parris has 4x AA talent. You are absolutely right in saying that he is undersized. A redshirt year would have given him the opportunity to go put the necessary size and muscle and gain the collegiate experience that he needs to really be the surefire 4x AA that everyone knows he's capable of being. He may very well place this year, but he's been pretty inconsistent this far. The Wolverines have a very talented lineup, but it's hard to say he was needed in the lineup when his presence couldn't even get them into the top 5 in the Big 10. Had Parris redshirted this year, the Wolverines would have likely used Luke Ready, who was also a blue chip HWT prospect the year before Parris was so highly sought after. I don't think many would ever suggest that Ready is as talented as Parris. But, in a year where you likely aren't challenging for any conference or NCAA hardware as a team, I'd bet he'd be at least serviceable while Parris would be taking a redshirt year that certainly would have made him much better prepared to step into the lineup as a top 5 285 as a redshirt freshman.

Go ahead and tell me why I'm wrong.....
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