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I don't use guns...I just understand the benefit when bad guy does not know which one of us is packing heat...and that this great nation would not have been born without guns...and that the power dynamic between us and the government would be shifted in the direction of the elected leaders if they were the only ones that had guns.

Why don't you ask the Crips and the Bloods to lay down their guns. I will never understand why the law abiding citizens should lay down their guns first. Most of the 300 million guns in this country are never used in a crime. Can we agree that gangsters and criminals should loose their guns or their freedom?
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I don't use guns...I just understand the benefit when bad guy does not know which one of us is packing heat...and that this great nation would not have been born without guns...and that the power dynamic between us and the government would be shifted in the direction of the elected leaders if they were the only ones that had guns.

Why don't you ask the Crips and the Bloods to lay down their guns. I will never understand why the law abiding citizens should lay down their guns first. Most of the 300 million guns in this country are never used in a crime. Can we agree that gangsters and criminals should loose their guns or their freedom?
Giving up guns is not the issue...unless you are paranoid and see slippery slopes everywhere. Don't worry, we are going to stay a very violent society - no changes coming.
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Giving up guns is not the issue...unless you are paranoid and see slippery slopes everywhere. Don't worry, we are going to stay a very violent society - no changes coming.
Guns do not cause violence...Socialism does.

Government is a slippery slope. When the United States was founded there was no income tax, sales tax or property tax. The federal government was funded by tariffs alone. The federal income tax was enacted in 1913 and the income tax rate was 1 or 2% for the vast majority of Americans...the top rate was 7%

https://www.investopedia.com/article...tory-taxes.asp


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Guns do not cause violence...Socialism does.

Government is a slippery slope. When the United States was founded there was no income tax, sales tax or property tax. The federal government was funded by tariffs alone. The federal income tax was enacted in 1913 and the income tax rate was 1 or 2% for the vast majority of Americans...the top rate was 7%

https://www.investopedia.com/article...tory-taxes.asp


If you don't see the slippery slope you will end up on your A$$.
What do you care about taxes, you said you live in a unibomber like shack in the woods and do not watch media. A new low for you. Just don't like to see trollism as the last message on these topics. PS, another school shooting today, no relevancy to what you are talking about, as usual. It is just a fact, I am not making a pro or con statement about guns.
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Great story on the AR-15 being used to protect a family...BY THE PREGNANT WIFE!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYD4Zj2eotw

Who needs an AR-15???
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Great story on the AR-15 being used to protect a family...BY THE PREGNANT WIFE!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYD4Zj2eotw

Who needs an AR-15???
Great story.

Too bad it's only one against about 20 (or more?) in the last couple of years where an AR- type weapon has been used for killing innocent people instead of protecting them.

Who needs an AR-15?

THE POLICE.

Or maybe M-249s or even M-240s....
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Great story.

Too bad it's only one against about 20 (or more?) in the last couple of years where an AR- type weapon has been used for killing innocent people instead of protecting them.

Who needs an AR-15?

THE POLICE.

Or maybe M-249s or even M-240s....
How many crimes have been prevented because the criminal chose not to attack someone that could fight back? Criminals always choose what they would consider to be a soft target that will not be able to defend themselves.

Statics about crime that has not happened can not be measured, but it is definatly a factor.
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Here's 8 more. It is very difficult if not impossible to say how many lives were saved in these 8 situations. These 8 are just AR15s... if you include all guns, lives saved by guns are probably about 10 lives saved to 1 life taken...but we still don't know if my estimate is too low.

https://www.dailysignal.com/2018/03/...d-lives-ar-15/
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Here's 8 more. It is very difficult if not impossible to say how many lives were saved in these 8 situations. These 8 are just AR15s... if you include all guns, lives saved by guns are probably about 10 lives saved to 1 life taken...but we still don't know if my estimate is too low.

https://www.dailysignal.com/2018/03/...d-lives-ar-15/
We really don't need these once in a blue moon a gun saves somebody stories - unless you also want to share all the stories where they shoot the wrong person trying to shoot a bad guy - those are just as common, even by trained cops. This is a wrestling site, how about some stories about how people learned how to kick butt using wrestling and they used that. We are going to keep guns and remain a violent society. Its just going to get more expensive. That is the price of freedom - in some peoples eyes. I like how when somebody buys a gun they start saying things about shooting people that cops say. If you buy a gun your not a cop. I am all for guns, its Indiana's #1 elicit product.
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We really don't need these once in a blue moon a gun saves somebody stories - unless you also want to share all the stories where they shoot the wrong person trying to shoot a bad guy - those are just as common, even by trained cops. This is a wrestling site, how about some stories about how people learned how to kick butt using wrestling and they used that. We are going to keep guns and remain a violent society. Its just going to get more expensive. That is the price of freedom - in some peoples eyes. I like how when somebody buys a gun they start saying things about shooting people that cops say. If you buy a gun your not a cop. I am all for guns, its Indiana's #1 elicit product.
I stumbled across this in a search. Defensive use of a gun is extremely difficult to calculate but the CDC has made an attempt in the past.

"The final adjusted prevalence of 1.24% therefore implies that in an average year during 1996–1998, 2.46 million U.S. adults used a gun for self-defense. This estimate, based on an enormous sample of 12,870 cases (unweighted) in a nationally representative sample, strongly confirms the 2.5 million past-12-months estimate obtained Kleck and Gertz (1995)….CDC's results, then, imply that guns were used defensively by victims about 3.6 times as often as they were used offensively by criminals. "

https://reason.com/2018/04/20/cdc-pr...that-plenty-o/
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