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Comparing Wyoming Sem or Blair to the Illinois private schools is not reasonable.
Not wanting to be more like them in wrestling might be even less reasonable.

A private school division would make so much more sense than multipliers and success factors.

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Private division

So you are saying schools like St. Bede and Ottawa Marquette should be in with schools from the CCL?
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Keep 3 classes i wouldnt touch class 1a

Eliminate the invidual regional having anything to do with team state in 2a and 3a ..Take the 32 best teams and seed them similar to football just on a bigger scale
based on their dual team record during the season....only include the record against illinois teams some schools wrestle out of state against elite schools those wins or losses should not factor in to a teams seed in the IHSa dual state

For the individual state If your a individual placer or state placer in 2a or 3a state qualifier the previous year your automatically placed in a 3a individual tournament .....then combine remaining 2a and 3a wrestlers and form regional and sectionals accordingly
Adleast this way guys like warner ,punke ,and schickel ,would be in 3a competing against the best in their weight class and this would eliminate who the best individual at each weight was
Make the 2a state individual tournament consist of a smaller amount of wrestlers who just missed making 3a and it would be recognized as a accomplishment but not a a comparison to 3a similiar to what frosh soph is now
This would also take some kids who are all state but are backup to a elite guy on their team at their weight from competing in frosh soph state with guys they have a obvious skill advantage over
Of course this would cause drama towards the bottom of the 32 man field but it woud be no different then the ncaas basketball selecting the 64 best for the ncaa championshiop as well holding a smaller tournament with A smaller # of teams who were good but didn't make the cut which is NIT TOURNAMENT in basketball but teams still get to experience a tournament with similar talent
This would be more competitive brackets and a clear #1 in each weight class at each skill level indviually not based off logistics
I hate to use anything involving basketball in wrestling but the way they select their tournament fields is as close as it gets to ending up with the best left standing at the end as well as cinderalla stories and upsets it would add excitement and clarity to the best in the state individually

For team state 32 teams sounds like a lot but i would break it down into 8 quads on the same night With the 8 best regular season teams being the host and the winner of each quad going down state and seeded accordinginl by their records not their zip code and would also hold this prior to individual state to keep the fan base around that otherwise would not be interested in team state due to those whose child has been eliminated from individual state already
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The three-class system has helped a lot of programs, particularly in 2A. Would Geneseo have experienced the success it has over the past several years without three classes? How about Triad? Or Lemont? Or Rochelle? Or Marengo? They were continually chewed up and spit out by the biggest schools, year after year, in the two-class system. My opinion is that, eventually, you might have seen schools in the 700-900 range think seriously about dropping the sport. They have no shot, and never will have, against schools like Sandburg, Glenbard North, Lockport, Montini, or Mount Carmel.

I don't think you'd have seen the ascent of Washington that we've seen without three classes. One of the factors that produces success, even for a program whose rise has been as meteoric as theirs, is opportunity. I'm sure even coach Medlin would credit the three-class system with an assist.

Now I'm looking at some of the new 2A programs that are taking hold. Rochester is a prime example. This is a program with a future where the sky's the limit in the current 2A. Would Rochester have anything to aspire to if their state tournament competition was Edwardsville, Granite City, Lockport and Sandburg? Olney Richland County is another school that comes to mind. They worked their butts off to start a program from scratch in a nothing wrestling area, have achieved great success in their own world, but would have been swallowed up by 3,000-enrollment schools after the merger of East Richland and West Richland forced them up from 1A to 2A. A third class gives those kinds of schools opportunities a two-class system renders virtually non-existent.
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so we need to make it easier for those schools that aren't as good? smh meanwhile kids in 3A who are much better wrestlers than most of those you named are getting shut out. yeah that seems right.
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well ,...what is the ultimate goal? to let more kids get exposure to a sport we all love, or make it so elite and limit the numbers...Yah,...that sounds right
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so we need to make it easier for those schools that aren't as good? smh meanwhile kids in 3A who are much better wrestlers than most of those you named are getting shut out. yeah that seems right.
Other than going to a bid system, how does that get fixed? If we did have one class, geography would dictate that there be more sectionals in the south and west and "better" kids from the Chicagoland-area would still be left out. The current 3A for kids in the Chicago-land suburbs is pretty much unchanged. It's always been this tough to qualify.

I coached in 2A last year and I saw the stark difference at the sectional level. The issue isn't three classes, the issue is balancing those classes out. 1A works, but every time there starts to be competition in 2A the IHSA mucks it up by moving teams around. If the success factor didn't exist and those borderline 3A/2A schools (like Deerfield or Yorkville) were kept in 2A, all of a sudden 2A isn't so bad. The over legislation hasn't punished the privates, it's made it that much more difficult for the borderline kids in 3A.
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Or if its just the recognition you want for 3A, lets make a rule, lets call it the "Alber rule", that no 1A wrestler can beat a 2A, and no 2A can beat a 3A ... and a kiss the ring rule. 2A must kiss the 3A ring and so on
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People are too hung up on the label 3A, 2A, 1A as if this were minor league baseball and they mean level of competition.

Rename the classes L, M and S (large, medium and small). For those sports with 4 classes, add LL. That's what they are supposed to mean.

Not an original idea on my part. My home state of Connecticut went to these designations over 80 years ago.
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Everyone who has read your words is now dumber for having read them.

You should have to spend at least 1 hour of every day for the rest of your life apologizing to every person you have ever encountered, for making their lives less than what they were before you came into their presence and less than what they would have become without ever having met you.

Shame on you.
Yes. (He commented on the Obama post troll). I have no problem with 3, as a fan though less super match-ups but not a big deal. Which is worse 3 for wrestling or 8 for football...not sure how many in basketball or the others...the sport is becoming more competitive - you can spend all summer at a camp if you wanted...and the rest of the year in wrestling club.
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