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Thank you for a very profound statement. Thank you Jesus.
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Rules and regulations provide no justification to a persons integrity. Your ability to follow rules that are non-agreeably only provides an image of good people that are standing by and doing nothing. At one time it was a rule that told women they couldnít vote. At one time it was a rule that told African Americans they couldnít vote. But people of integrity stood up against an unjustifiable rule/law. This rule doesnít protect anyone but steals from our freedoms. Let Them Wrestle! What does this rule protect? Nothing!

Seems to me the IHSA was once a Constitutional Republic and has morphed into a Democracy. If they arenít careful they are heading towards socialism then communism.

Legalism leads to perfectionism leads to judgementalism.

The only need for law is to tutor us into the need of grace.
This was beautiful and hilarious. My new favorite schtick.
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No, No No say it isn't so. GN you are still the winner of the favorite schtick award. You will be awarded a free beer in Champaign or maybe sooner.
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The circle jerk

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The only people (so far) who say that BTS is NOT a tournament either have some connection to OPRF or Montini OR want to refute the argument because of GN and his (hers?) past posts and history of sarcasm and insults.
(or both?)

There has been no argument made by anyone that has swayed me from my opinion that BTS IS a tournament.
The no trophies or individual awards stance is as thin and flimsy as a sheet of paper.

The format is that of a tournament - 2 round-robin pools to determine which teams wrestle for 1st, 3rd, 5th and 7th place - as per Trackwrestling.
When you compete for a championship it is a tournament, be it an individual or team dual. Period.
(Don't even try to throw the 'regular season champion' BS at me....)

All of this could have been avoided if they simply would not have had the teams wrestling for a place, a technicality, yes, but one that blows up the tournament argument.
All they would have had to do is say 4th round opponents TBD and not call it 1st place, 3rd place, etc.

Maybe this is all Trackwrestling's fault? 

My argument is for the rules, as I read them, and the fact that top level teams are seemingly able to do whatever they want to, rules be damned, because they are who they are and to rule against them in this case would cast shade over Illinois wrestling as a whole as far as IHSA is concerned. As it did in the Mt. Carmel case.
A whole team state tournament canceled because of one teams infractions, just to avoid a possible lawsuit?


This tournaments premise is a great thing, a charity event that brought some of the best teams and wrestlers in the country together to compete for a dual team championship.
I have no problem with that.
But to ignore a potential rule(s) violation because of that is ludicrous at best.
I would have a problem if this would be a teams 4th tournament of the season, they then compete in their conference tournament, which would be their 5th, which would then make them ineligible to compete in the team state series, but the IHSA were to turn a blind eye.
If I am reading the rules correctly and am correct that BTS would have been OPRF's and Montini's (or others?) 4th tournament.

I am increasingly interested in hearing what the IHSA would have to say about this particular situation.
Perhaps they are aware and would not need to get involved until a team were to compete in their 5th tournament (other than team state)?
Perhaps they aren't aware and would not get involved unless this situation is brought to their attention?
Perhaps they are aware and do not care?

Of course, next season this is a non issue. (right?) 
Trackwrestling is software and does not determine or interpret IHSA rules.

The only interpretation on this that matters (to those that matter) is from the IHSA. The only folks that indicated that they got a interpretation on this from the IHSA are being dismissed for having skin in the game... which ironically is the reason that they were the ones motivated enough reach out to the IHSA.

I agree the awards / no awards seems like a silly way to decide if a tourney or not. But I also think it's silly if you truly want the IHSA's thoughts to dismiss posters telling you what the IHSA told them about a unrelated event.

:All of this could have been avoided if..." Lol
All of what? This thread? This thread continues because GN seeks understanding. Personal problem.

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I am increasingly interested in hearing what the IHSA would have to say about this particular situation.
No you are not.

You guys have been going at it for over a week. There must be plenty energy bars, gatorade and lube in that circle.
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Personal problem.

You guys have been going at it for over a week. There must be plenty energy bars, gatorade and lube in that circle.
Oh nice, gay sex joke. Sounds like a personal problem from the classy guy that is all triggered.

You guys entertained my nonsense for a week. I laughed a lot. Thanks for coming to my TedTalk.
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YES!

did Montini and OPRF check with the IHSA before the event to ensure it would qualify as a dual and not a tournament? YES

did the IHSA confirm that this event would qualify as a dual and not a tournament? YES

did the IHSA receive calls after the event occurred to inquire on why this event is considered a dual and not a tournament? YES

did the IHSA do additional follow up with Montini and OPRF after the event? YES

was it confirmed, again, that this was a dual and not a tournament? YES

if you need to know WHY this was considered a dual and not a tournament, feel free to contact the IHSA...and I'll have what she's having!
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Hi,

Excellent. I'm happy to see this has all been resolved.

Thanks.

Last edited by Mike Hunt; 5 Minutes Ago at 02:44 PM. Reason: Hi, a word. Thanks.
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